[Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,
European Water Project
europeanwaterproject at gmail.com
Mon Jan 13 16:28:02 UTC 2020
Dear Martin,
Thanks for your email.
While I understand your point of view, many are trying hard to change
legislation and might see it as more than a marketing gimmick but rather a
right to be able to drink without generating single-use waste. Belgium,
Luxembourg, Switzerland and Italy are not obliged to serve tap water with
a meal like in France where we live.
We are not targeting free tap water for paying customers ... but I can see
value in this for those that care.
How about :
1) water_bottle_refill=non_paying and water_bottle_refill=customer
or
2) water_access=non_paying and water_access=customer
Best regards,
Stuart
.
>
> > On 13. Jan 2020, at 14:07, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How about free_water_refill=yes free_water_table=yes ?
>
>
> free_water_refill at a restaurant or cafe
> to me sounds as if you must buy water and get refills for free
>
> Maybe we would want to distinguish getting water by yourself from an
> accessible tap or bottle/carafe vs. getting it from the bar staff / waiters
> after you asked for it?
>
> How would we tag a place with free drinks with your meal? I’m asking
> because free water for customers sounds more like a marketing tale than
> like something we’d tag in OpenStreetMap (it’s not “free”, it’s included).
>
>
> > What is the character count permissible for tags ?
>
>
> maybe it’s 255 ascii characters (technically), there is no agreed limit,
> as short as you can while remaining easily distinguishable and no
> abbreviations etc.
>
>
> Cheers Martin
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:57:00 +0100 (CET)
> From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to
> pedestrians?
> Message-ID: <LyUbq7M--J-2 at tutanota.com>
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>
> oneway:foot=-1 would still work
> (Like oneway=-1 is very rarely needed
> for traffic allowed only in direction
> opposite to way direction)
> 13 Jan 2020, 15:43 by kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not very intuitive but, perhaps in rare cases, necessary. What if the
> road is
> >> one-way to both vehicles and pedestrians but vehicles go from A to B
> whilst
> >> pedestrians go from B to A?
> >>
> >
> > You beat me to it!
> >
> > I know I've seen a footway on the verge of the roadway signed, 'WALK
> > ON LEFT, FACING TRAFFIC.' If the road was a dual-carriageway (it might
> > have been, I don't recall now), then we'd have had exactly that
> > situation. "Just reverse the way" isn't a solution when it's forward
> > for one mode and backward for another.
> >
> > --
> > 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin
> >
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:00:18 +0100
> From: European Water Project <europeanwaterproject at gmail.com>
> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant
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> Dear Hauke,
>
> It goes without saying that we will develop best practice instructions on
> wikimedia for how to tag cafes and bars which offer free water bottle
> refill for non paying customers. We will not give instructions for the
> other cases as that is not our target audience.
>
> The proposal below does not seem optimal, but if that is what is decided we
> will write wiki instructions in this manner.
>
> I still prefer free_water_refill=yes/no free_water_table=yes/no
>
> Does anyone else prefer this nomenclature ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:26:13 +0100
> > From: Hauke Stieler <mail at hauke-stieler.de>
> > To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,
> > restaurant
> > Message-ID: <75a599bd-f69a-b1f2-8cb6-ea0abed3a735 at hauke-stieler.de>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > This model is used for many other tags in OSM. One of the most
> > > fundamental tags, access=*, uses it to show "access only for customers"
> > > for example.
> > > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dcustomers .
> > > free_water=customers would not look out of place at all in that list.
> >
> > +1
> > I think the wiki/documentation of the European Water Project should then
> > describe this in a way that newbies also understand the different values
> > of the tag.
> >
> > > The other dimension that has been mentioned, is "bring your own
> > > container" vs. "we supply the container". Something like
> > > "container=customer", "container=supplier" or "container=both" perhaps?
> >
> > Because a "container" could be anything (at a supermarket or kiosk it
> > could also be a container for food), I suggest something like
> > "free_water:container=*" to make clear that the container "availability"
> > refers to the refill service.
> >
> > Hauke
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:38:12 +0900
> > From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> > <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,
> > restaurant
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> > > I suggest something like
> > "free_water:container=*" to make clear that the container "availability"
> > refers to the refill service.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
> >
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> From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
> To: Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [Tagging] Special traffic signs - still
> highway=traffic_signals?
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> There are some special traffic signals near me
>
> - usually flashing yellow, that has no meaning
> - turning red in case of an incoming
> special vehicle
>
> Special vehicle may be
>
> (1) emergency vehicle leaving fire department
> in this case it gets activated probably once or
> twice a day
>
> (2) tram on a level crossing
> - in peak about over every four minutes,
> during day about once 15 minutes
>
> How to tag this cases?
> Like any other traffic light?
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:05:51 +0100 (CET)
> From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
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> 13 Jan 2020, 14:04 by europeanwaterproject at gmail.com:
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> > Hello,
> >
> BTW, thanks for consulting with
> us how to tag this feature!
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:06:29 +0100
> From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to
> pedestrians?
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> Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>:
>
> > That argument isn't convincing
> >
> > In Openstreetmap the keys are arbitrary strings; "oneway:foot" is no
> > more relate to oneway than "not_oneway" or "phoneway".
> >
>
>
> Technically you are correct, but there are discussions about it. Some
> people would want to have a more formal "grammar" so that combining several
> tags (or "conditions") gets standardized. It makes the creation of new tags
> easier and can imply clear rules for data consumers. The structure was
> documented in the conditional tagging proposal:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Tagging
> but it had already been around for some time then.
>
> Cheers
> Martin
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