[Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Thank you for pointing out the tag "drinking_water=yes/no"

Looking at the wiki page for this tag and for the related tag
amenity=drinking_water, it is strongly implied that this is for a
drinking water supply which is self-service.

Examples include water taps, drinking fountains, wells, and springs.
Features where this is commonly used include camping and wilderness
accomodations.

So it may be reasonable to have a different tag for the situation
where the drinking water is only available by requesting it from the
employees of a business.

I note that "drinking_water:fee" is not mentioned at
"Key:drinking_water" or "Tag:amenity=drinking_water" pages, and it has
only been used 7 times.

The only place that drinking_water:fee is mentioned is as an idea at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:free_refill - the
"free_refill" proposal.

So I think a new tag like "free_water=" is sensible, since
"amenity=drinking_water" and "drinking_water=yes" have previously been
assumed to be both free of charge and accessible to the public without
needing to ask special permission.

- Joseph Eisenberg

On 1/16/20, Florimond Berthoux <florimond.berthoux at gmail.com> wrote:
> Because https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like
> Tags are already defined and used.
> free_water would be in conflict with tags fee and drinking_water.
> free_water is two words with two concepts (price and service)
> drinking_water:fee use the usual main:sub_propertie tagging pattern
>
> I have no opinion about container, but I can remember an old discussion
> about tagging the property of street food shop where you are able to bring
> you own "container" (food box).
> In my pattern it would be drinking_water:container=*
>
> Le mer. 15 janv. 2020 à 22:09, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> 5. Re:  Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant
>>>       (Florimond Berthoux)
>>> >>>> Hello Florimond, While I don't necessarily feel the solution you
> propose is preferable, I do share your love of KISS though.
>>
>>
>> I have tried to fairly incorporate the main feedback from the tagging
> maillist discussion.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Free_Water
>>
>> Why do you think your proposal is preferred to the one outlined in the
> draft proposal ?
>> free_water = <no, yes, customers>
>> free_water:container =<bring_your_own,provided>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 20:25:53 +0100
>>> From: Florimond Berthoux <florimond.berthoux at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>>>         <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tagging]  Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,
>>>         restaurant
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>>> Hi, I go quickly through the email thread and didn't saw the simple
>>> solution:
>>>
>>> use drinking_water
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water
>>> «drinking_water=* indicates whether a feature provides drinking water,
>>> specifically whether water is drinkable for humans. »
>>> So if a cafe provide the service of supplying drinking water, I would
>>> use
>>> the usual access values with this key
>>> drinking_water=yes/no/private/...
>>>
>>> and use fee
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee
>>> «The fee tag is for specifying whether a fee is usually charged for a
>>> service, or for access. »
>>> the service here is the drinking water so
>>> drinking_water:fee=yes/no
>>> And if more precision is needed use drinking_water:fee:conditional=*
>>>
>>> Of course most of the cafe give drinking water (though may be not
>>> completely drinkable...) so drinking_water can be optional here.
>>>
>>> No new tag is needed here, KISS ;)
>>>
>>> Le lun. 13 janv. 2020 à 10:20, European Water Project <
>>> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> > Dear All,
>>> >
>>> > I thought this subject could wait, but it is becoming pressing early
> than
>>> > I expected.
>>> >
>>> > As part of our project (and that of similar non-profits - most of
>>> > which
>>> > are not open data but nevertheless great organisations), we want to
>>> > voluntarily encourage cafés, bars and restaurants to offer free tap
> water
>>> > bottle refill to anyone off the street.  Refill has had significant
> success
>>> > in the UK and surprising the feedback is that the impact of increased
>>> > customer traffic far outweighs any issue of cannibalization.
>>> >
>>> > If it is not already the case, could we develop a tagging standard for
>>> > this case. Maybe "amenity = cafe & free_water = yes"
>>> >
>>> > It would be important to develop at the same time a distinct tag for
>>> > another cause, which we support but will not be targeting is
> restaurants
>>> > which offer free tap water for paying customers.
>>> > Maybe "amenity = restuarant & free_carafe = yes"
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Stuart
>>> >
>>> > PS :
>>> >
>>> > The European Water Project progressive web app powered by
> OpenStreetMap,
>>> > Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons data can be found :
>>> > https://europeanwaterproject.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Florimond Berthoux
>>>
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