[Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...
Niels Elgaard Larsen
elgaard at agol.dk
Tue Jun 30 16:54:11 UTC 2020
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Paul Allen:
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil <bkil.hu <http://bkil.hu>+Aq at gmail.com
> <mailto:Aq at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
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>
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> almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a lot of
> things from Paul that made sense in other contexts, in this particular discussion
> it appeared to me that he was sometimes giving interpretations of established
> tags that didn't find other supporting voices.
>
>
> So it appears to me, too. My mental taxonomy of what is and is not a cafe
> clearly differs from that of other mappers in the UK.
Well, here is a gourmet restaurant serving burgers:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5416925514
https://andershusa.com/the-noma-burger-rene-redzepi-reopens-with-take-away-and-wine-bar-copenhagen-denmark/
>From the point of a user, when I am about driving with my wife and we want to stop
for a nice lunch, I search for cafes and restaurants somewhat nearby. If we drive 10
Km to end up at a McDonals-like place we will be disappointed.
If it is a gastropub selling burgers and french fries with a glass of wine or beer we
will be happy.
> For me the seating
> is important. It is usually the case that a place without seating will
> normally sell fast food because people don't like standing in a queue for
> 20 minutes. But I appear to be alone in thinking of McDonalds as a
> cafe with a particular cuisine and limited menu (and bizarre lengths of
> crispy potato instead of proper chips).
>
> Approach it from the other direction. Cafes in the US (called Diners there)
> sell burgers, amongst other things. A diner might have a menu very
> similar to McDonalds. Is that now a fast food joint rather than a cafe?
> If so, what if it limits the menu in summer and has a more expanded one
> in winter?
>
> Things blur a lot in the real world and drawing lines is hard. Especially when
> marketers insist on erasing them. There is a chain of transport cafes in
> the UK which describes them as "roadside restaurants." Over the issue
> of seating versus food speed, I appear to be alone.
>
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