[Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

[European Water Project]

Hi Joseph,

I checked and there are currently 6 nodes and 1 way with
drinking_water:fee=yes ...  which is not necessarily a problem.

What would you think about "drinking_water:refill:fee=yes" as a standalone
tag with its own key page ?   I had not foreseen the value of a refill
network which charged money before talking to Stephanie.  drinking_water:refill
=yes would be reserved for free establishments.

Best regards,

Stuart

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 16:11, European Water Project <
europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
>
> Yes, your understanding was absolutely correct. The current tag pair was
> developed for the purpose of mapping free refill points.
>
> Your alternative proposal for drinking_water:fee=yes for establishments
> which charge for water bottle refill seems a good one.
>
> How does one check to make sure there are no establishments with that
> namespace tag already ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 13:07 Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My understanding was that the new tag "drinking_water:refill=yes" was
>> going to imply that you can get water for free.
>>
>> "An establishment participates in a water refill network and will fill
>> up for free anyone's (paying customer or not) reusable bottle." - wiki
>> page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water:refill
>>
>> So if a cafe or gas station will see you water for $0.75, that's quite
>> different, and it would be incorrect to use
>> "drinking_water:refill=yes" + "drinking_water:refill:fee=yes",
>> according to your approved proposal and the documentation.
>>
>> But perhaps "drinking_water:fee=yes" could be proposed as an
>> alternative, for places that only sell water.
>>
>> - Joseph Eisenberg
>>
>> On 3/10/20, European Water Project <europeanwaterproject at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Jake,
>> >
>> >
>> > i strongly prefer paying 75 centimes for a ecologically sustainable
>> water
>> > bottle refill than being forced to buy a PET bottle filled with water
>> > because there is no alternative.
>> >
>> > Whether they survive or not is for the market to decide ... the end
>> result
>> > is less single-use plastic... which is our objective...
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Stuart
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 09:32 Jake Edmonds via Tagging <
>> > tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is it worth adding drinking_water:refill:carbonated=yes/no,
>> >> drinking_water:refill:chilled=yes/no
>> >> and drinking_water:refill:alkaline=yes/no, etc (or
>> >> drinking_water:refill:types=carbonated/chilled/alkaline). Then fee can
>> be
>> >> based on which types of water is charged for?
>> >>
>> >> Personally I can’t see myself paying for still or chilled water, but I
>> >> would pay for carbonated.
>> >>
>> >> Info on alkaline water: https://www.enagic.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 10 Mar 2020, at 09:13, European Water Project <
>> >> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> I have been in contact with Stephanie Dick from Zero Bouteilles
>> Plastique
>> >> (copied), based in Arles, France regarding tagging establishments in
>> >> OpenStreetMap offering water bottle refill for a small fee.   Stephanie
>> >> is
>> >> also involved in Zero Waste France.
>> >>
>> >> The rationale for including establishments in a refill network which
>> >> require a small payment is that they often need to add a cooling
>> fountain
>> >> or a fountain which offers fizzy water. Also allowing a store owner to
>> >> charge for water refills is often the only way to get them to stop
>> >> selling
>> >> plastic bottles.
>> >>
>> >> I suggest adding an third key within the drinking_water:refill
>> namespace,
>> >> "drinking_water:refill:fee=yes" for establishments which charge a small
>> >> fee
>> >> for water bottle refills.
>> >>
>> >> The requirement to have a sticker or a sign showing the inclusion in a
>> >> refill network or being an "independent" refiller is unchanged.
>> >>
>> >> If a tag is agreed, on our App we plan to differentiate between free
>> and
>> >> paying refill establishments using different colors.
>> >>
>> >> An example image of a water fountain in blue and a cafe in orange.
>> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RxP8r-Vtl8nWFiCiZ_8wIWmo-ULb5fta
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Stuart
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