[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting – Refugee site location

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Tue Mar 17 23:40:35 UTC 2020

Voting on the proposal for place=refugee_site ends today or tomorrow,
depending on your time zone.

Current vote is 11 oppose, 27 approve - currently below the percentage
needed to be approved but close.

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On 3/12/20, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Voting is still open a few more days for place=refugee_site
> But I am still concerned about this claim: "For long-term refugee site
> that are no longer under operation of the UNHCR or another
> organization (other NGO, government, etc.) it is possible to use
> instead or also the tag place=town or place=village."
> You cannot tag the same Openstreetmap database object with both
> place=town and place=refugee_site - you would have to create 2
> separate nodes.
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
> On 3/3/20, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I do not believe the concerns and questions at the talk page have been
>> adequately addressed
>> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Refugee_Site_Location)
>>  While I appreciate the idea of mapping locations related to refugees,
>> I do not think the proposed definition and tags wil work.
>> The description includes too many possibilities: "A refugee site is a
>> place that hosts refugee and/or IDP population and that is under
>> operation of the UNHCR or another organization (other NGO, government
>> agency, etc.). A refugee site can be a temporary site or a long term
>> site."
>> This could include a single building which which is operated by a
>> local church and hosts a single refugee family from another country
>> for a month or two. It could also include a huge semi-permanent
>> settlement with thousands of people, shops, businesses, permanent
>> structures and so on, which is nominally operated by a government
>> agency but which actually functions as a town for many years.
>> The definition needs to be changed so that it is clear what qualifies
>> and what does not.
>> Also, another new tag "refugee_site:for" is proposed with values
>> "refugee" or "IDP." The second value is bad because it's a rare
>> acronym for "internally displaced persons", and neither value is
>> defined. Apparently "refugree" might only be used for people who have
>> crossed a national border?
>> There is also mention of additional tags "operational_status" and
>> "official_status=unofficial" which are undefined. The second,
>> official_status, had a proposal but that one was quite different
>> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Official_status)
>> And operational_status=* has no wiki page, and this proposal does not
>> define it.
>> For these reasons, the current version of the proposal should not be
>> approved.
>> I suggest improving the definition of the tags and making it very
>> clear which new tags are being approved by the proposal.
>> - Joseph Eisenberg
>> On 3/2/20, Manon Viou <m_viou at cartong.org> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> The proposed feature for refugee site location was posted for comment on
>>> January 30 th. During February we have received several valuable
>>> comments.
>>> Thank you for your feedbacks!
>>> Your participation allowed us to improve our proposal in order to map
>>> refugee site location.
>>> We would like now to start the Request for Voting,
>>> Please find below the proposal which is being put to vote :
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refugee_Site_Location#Tagging
>>> This ends on 2020-02-17
>>> Regards,
>>> Manon,
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>>> Manon Viou
>>> Coordinatrice projet Missing Maps
>>> [image: Email:] m_viou at cartong.org | [image: Skype:] manon.viou
>>> [image: Phone:] +33 (0)4 79 26 28 82 | [image: Mobile:] +33 (0)7
>>> 83889839
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