[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*
Lukas Richert
lrichert at posteo.de
Tue Nov 3 13:08:46 UTC 2020
Hi,
While the original proposal did specify that generators are usually
diesel, broadening the definition would only lead to a loss of detail,
but the tagging would still be correct. I'm hesitant to use *offgrid* as
a building that has, for example, a grid connection with solar panels on
the roof would then be tagged as *electricity=grid;offgrid* instead of
*electricity=grid;generator*. The former is illogical.
However, I don't have any experience in developing countries: is it
easier to verify if something is off-grid compared to if it is connected
to a generator? And, would it be necessary to differentiate between
local grids (i.e. 2-3 generators, no substations, transfromers, etc.)
and national grids? Perhaps then a network tag would be useful, i.e.
network=national, local, regional similar to the way cycle networks are
mapped?
A further suggestion was to change the tagging
to***electricity:grid=yes/no/backup* and/or
*electricity:generator=yes/no/backup*. This might be less ambiguous for
tagging amenities or buildings that get electricity from both sources
and would then be more consistent with tagging such as
*electricity:generator:origin=diesel* when, e.g. a building has a backup
diesel generator but is connected to the grid. Unfortunately, it would
then not be consistent with the use by the Healthsites Mapping Project,
although this already has the inconsistent *electricity=none* tag which
should probably be changed directly to *electricity=no.*
Cheers, Lukas
On 03/11/2020 07:14, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks a lot Lukas for reworking this proposal.
>
> I like Joseph's idea of *electricity=grid/offgrid/yes/no* if you're
> introducing *electricity:origin=**.
> I'd suggest dropping the generator value as it brings confusion and
> can be difficult to verify. Originally electricity=generator seemed to
> be intended for diesel devices, but I think we should use something
> like electricity:origin=diesel for it instead.
>
> @Volker, I understand the tag might be less relevant in developed
> countries where it is normal to have electricity. But electricity
> availability is an important information in many developing countries
> (like mine) where most of the population is not connected to the
> electricity grid. It would be useful for health facilities
> and accommodation buildings... - See Healthsites' data model at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Global_Healthsites_Mapping_Project
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Global_Healthsites_Mapping_Project>
> where the tag is used.
>
> Good job, Lukas!
>
> --
> Dolly Andriatsiferana
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:11 AM Lukas Richert <lrichert at posteo.de
> <mailto:lrichert at posteo.de>> wrote:
>
> And, final email, I reworked the proposal page to include tagged
> examples and explained some implicit defintions in more detail.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 30/10/2020 13:44, Lukas Richert wrote:
>>
>> Since a lot of people apparently didnt see the RFC the first
>> time, I'll go back to RFC status for now. (I thought the threads
>> were sorted by subject title of the email and didnt check online
>> if it was actually visible. )
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The original message:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> after the comments on the confusing nature of the word 'source'
>> in my original proposal of 'electricity:source', I have now
>> changed the name to 'electricity:origin' as suggested on the
>> discussion page. Furthermore, I would like to revive and extend
>> the proposal of the key 'electricity' as this previously
>> conflicted with parts of the electricity:source proposal and was
>> not consistent.
>>
>> Both proposal pages:
>>
>> [1]
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity>
>>
>> [2]
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/electricity:source
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/electricity:source>
>>
>>
>> The idea now is to allow for the tagging of buildings or
>> amenities that have electricity. The rationale is described in
>> more detail at [1]. Tags such as access, fee, schedule and origin
>> can then narrow down the availability to the public and the
>> question of financial or direct origin of the electricity.
>>
>> This is distinct from the drafted tag power_supply as it is used
>> to describe the type of sockets used at a specific outlet. The
>> values for that tag are still currently under discussion.
>>
>> I would also not tag this as a subset of power=* as this maps the
>> facilities and features that relate to the generation and
>> distribution of electrical power and should not be used to map
>> the consumers of electricity.
>>
>>
>> I am eager to hear the feedback to the revised proposals!
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Also, perhaps relevant: both the power_supply
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_supply> and socket
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:socket> keys describe
>> the same feature. power_supply so far has occasionally been used
>> in the manner that electricity proposes to be. Unfortunately, the
>> proposal for power_supply is relatively inconsistent. I think the
>> socket:* tag is better thought out and also currently more used.
>> I would be in favor of deprecating power_supply and separating
>> the two meanings it currently has into electricity=* and socket:*=#.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>>
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