[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Oct 2, 2020, 19:56 by redoubleyou at outlook.de:

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> The aim of this proposal is to establish a new tag for a type of „shops“ that are way less professional as the „normal“ shops.
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This would result in all "less professional" shops - from one selling herbs to one selling electronics
to use one shop value.

I also think that usual shop=* tagging is perfectly fine to be used on "less professional" shops, no
matter what kind of "less professional" we take.

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> I agree absolutely that somone who makes bread by itself and sells that in front of its house, we should tag it by shop=bakery. So the grade of „selfmadeness“ does not matter.
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> Thanks also for the ideas around the tag shop=farm. But I think, what I mean is more specific. If I would use shop=farm I would expect a proper store with counter and staff. I think the idea of improving it by using openeing_hours="by appointment" is a good objection. Problem here: How can the goods be further specified? How can it be stated that horse manure can (also) be bought in this shop=farm? Or game (regardless of whether it was created through breeding or was shot by the hunter)? I think these products are not that typical for a shop = farm. Or the other way around: By using shop=farm you cannot find any places (e.g. via overpass) where horse manure can be bought.
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There were some attempts to tag what is sold in a shop, product by product.

See https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org//search?q=sells or even weirder tag soup like
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/dried_fruits that I used twice.

Nothing really popular, but sells:horse_manure=yes can be used

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> I hope at this Point it is clear what is meant by the proposal. (Maybe the name „direct_marketing“ is confusing – feel free to make suggestions)
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Do not attempt to put different shop types in one shop tag

"honey can be obtained directly from the beekeeper"

shop=honey seems to fit
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dhoney

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbeekeeper
even recommends 
"The beekeeper might sell their products from their workplace, use shop=honey in this case."


"game from the forester"

sounds like shop=butcher (not sure,  never encountered something like that)
craft=hunter (???)

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> Another idea I like is to use craft=* in combination with direct_marketing=*. Inquiry here: which values you want to use? Something like „game“ and „horse_dung“ (separated by semikolon) or just „yes“? And of course the challenge here is to find a „craft“-value for all issues.
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"direct marketing" in English means something specific - see.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_marketing

direct_sale_from_producer=yes (????)

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> Von: > Niels Elgaard Larsen <mailto:elgaard at agol.dk>
>  > Gesendet: > Freitag, 2. Oktober 2020 13:44
>  > An: > tagging at openstreetmap.org
>  > Betreff: > Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)
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> Wieland Kestler:
>  > Hi everyone!
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>  > Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal for tagging
>  > points where people can buy e.g. game (meat) directly from the forester.
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>  What does "directly" mean?
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>  That forester probably did not shoot the animal himself. He most likely is not
>  allowed to butcher it. And it might not actually be him selling the meat when you
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>  shop=farm might be a stretch for game, although I do know a place selling deer meat
>  that have all the deers inside a big fence.
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>  shop=farm is already used for eggs and honey.
>  I would also assume that horse dung being sold usually does not come from wild horses.
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>  As for shop=farm not being permanently available, we have the "opening_hours" and
>  "seasonal" tags. We can also use shop=farm,openeing_hours="by appointment" if there
>  is not a shop infrastructure.
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>  > For more details see the proposal page:
>  > >  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing
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>  > For comments use the discussion page:
>  > >  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing
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>  > Tanks!
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