[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

Sun Sep 27 17:38:16 UTC 2020

"In any case, the proposer seems to feel that chapel of rest
should be used only for dedicated buildings and a different
tag should be added to indicate a funeral director's with a
viewing room."
The proposer feels that a subtag should be used for a funeral director's 
with a viewing room. But the proposer's preference goes to using the 
same term for the amenity tag and for the subtag (examples given in the 
proposal).

At the same time, may I ask for comments on "funeral viewing rooms"? 
Apart from its length, it only seems to have advantages.

Am 27.09.2020 13:55 schrieb Paul Allen:
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 10:02, Michael Patrick <geodesy99 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>> From: Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> Problem 1. "Viewing Service" is the name of a process, not the
>>> name
>>>> of the building or room it takes place in. "Turn left after
>>> the Viewing
>>>> Service" > makes no sense, any more than "Turn right after the
>>> prayer" as an alternative to "Turn right after the church."
>> 
>> Mmmm .... I agree, that's my point. 'Chapel of Rest' isn't a place,
>> at best it
>> 
>> sometimes might be a dedicated room in a funeral establishment.
>> Apparently,
>> it is not infrequently the showroom for caskets if a larger
>> attendance needs to
>> be accommodated.
> 
> It may be as you state it in some cases.  It is not true of all.
> Here's
>  one where the chapel of rest is a building solely for that purpose:
> https://www.colinphillipsfunerals.com/our-services/private-chapel/ [6]
> That does not serve any other purpose.  It is not his offices or
> showroom.  I know of another one like that a few miles from it.
> 
> Also, a chapel, even in the religious sense, is not necessarily a
>  separate building.  It originally referred to a small room within
> a church with its own altar, or a room with an alta in a
> non-religious building.
> 
> In any case, the proposer seems to feel that chapel of rest
> should be used only for dedicated buildings and a different
> tag should be added to indicate a funeral director's with a
> viewing room.
> 
>>>> Problem 2. "Viewing service" implies some sort of formalized
>>> event,
>>>> probably religious with a speaker delivering a eulogy. A
>>> Chapel of
>>>> Rest is for looking at a dead body, with no formal ceremony.
>>> Possibly
>>>> in complete silence. Possible with only one live person in the
>>> room.
>>>> Contrast this with a religious service, which has prayers,
>>> hymns,
>>>> a sermon, bouts of kneeling, etc.
>> 
>> Connotation of 'service' as in 'floral service', embalming service',
>> 'cremation service' or otherwise business task / activity like
>> 'automotive repair service', rather than the religious service
>> denotation like a mass.
> 
> I wouldn't expect a religious service at a florist or a car mechanic.
> When it comes
> to funerals, however...
> 
>> From the US Federal Trade Checklist at
>> 
> https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0301-funeral-costs-and-pricing-checklist
>> [1]
>> Visitation/viewing — staff and facilities __________
>> Funeral or memorial service — staff and facilities __________
>> Graveside service, including staff and equipment __________
> 
> That's nice.  But it's not British English.  You can, however, use it
> to argue that editor translations for US English should use visitation
> for the preset name.
> 
>> UK funeral industry shows both 'Chapel of Rest', or that term with
>> visitation / viewing, some just have 'venue rental'. CoR is fairly
>> typical.
> 
> Precisely.  CoR seems to be the commonest term for it.  And less
> ambiguous than "visitation" (people visit patients in hospitals) or
> "viewing" (people view paintings in art galleries).
> 
>>>> Problem 3. I've not encountered that term as a synonym for a
>>> chapel of
>>>> rest. But I've not looked very hard. Citation needed.
>> 
>> https://funeralresources.com/resources/viewing-and-visitation-costs/
>> [2]
>> https://funerals.org/?consumers=read-funeral-home-price-list/ [3]
>> https://www.thefuneralsite.com/ResourceCenters/Costs/How_much.html
>> [4]
> 
> The first two are in the US.  The third gives me a "problem loading
> page"
> error.
> 
>> ... and hundreds more. Canada seems to be similar to the US.
> 
> None of which are renowned for using British English.  Again, this is
> for editor preset translations.
> 
>> Viewing / Visitation seem to translate well
>> 
> https://www.floridafuneralhome.com/Content/Media/FloridaFuneralHomeAndCrematory/Spa%20-%20Crem%20w%20View%202018-07-01.pdf
>> [5]
>> زيارة مشاهدة الجنازة ( Arabic ) goes to 'Funeral
>> watch visit', i.e. it survives round trips through google Translate.
> 
> Not pertinent.  The general policy is tags use British English.  There
> is no
> requirement that they survive round trips through google translate.
> 
> --
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0301-funeral-costs-and-pricing-checklist
> [2] 
> https://funeralresources.com/resources/viewing-and-visitation-costs/
> [3] https://funerals.org/?consumers=read-funeral-home-price-list/
> [4] https://www.thefuneralsite.com/ResourceCenters/Costs/How_much.html
> [5]
> https://www.floridafuneralhome.com/Content/Media/FloridaFuneralHomeAndCrematory/Spa%20-%20Crem%20w%20View%202018-07-01.pdf
> [6] https://www.colinphillipsfunerals.com/our-services/private-chapel/
> 
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