[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity:source

Jez Nicholson jez.nicholson at gmail.com
Wed Sep 30 07:24:51 UTC 2020


For questions on ground-truth, the proposal page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source
cites examples such as the e-bike charging station with its own solar
panels supplying the electricity
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Solar-Stromtankstelle_in_Allentsteig.jpg

Admittedly, a charging station could be supplied by electricity from a
green energy company that only uses renewable energy. In which case, there
may well be signage on the station.

Lukas, did you consider charging_station:source ? to be similar to other
power tags (power:generator + generator:source=solar, power:plant =
plant:source=solar)?

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:30 PM Lukas Richert <lrichert at posteo.de> wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> I agree that while a few suppliers source all of their electricity from
> renewable sources, most simply add a surcharge which is used to fund the
> growth of renewable energy infrastructure and price the electricity as if
> it were coming from solely renewable energy sources. I'm working on an
> article for Wikipedia that will explain green pricing tariffs in detail as
> this seems to be lacking in English.
>
> Arguing if the definiton of 'green electricity' is actually 'green' is not
> the point, this is already a term that is explicitly advertised at the
> charging stations or camp sites (see images in proposal) and also something
> that consumers look for as they want to fund renewable energies in the hope
> that all grid energy will be completely 'renewable' in future. While this
> obviously won't be for at least 15-50 years depending on who you ask, I
> think it is a worthwhile attribute to map as some people are conscious of
> what types of electricity generation they wish to support.
>
> Best, Lukas
>
>
> On 29/09/2020 16:56, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> Hi Lukas,
>
> You do realise that all electricity is the same, irrespective of how it is
> generated? The "greenness" or otherwise is not determined by the
> connection, but by the subscription/contract that the consumer has with
> their supplier.
>
> UNLESS they have a standalone generating capability, like PV or wind
> turbine that is not connected to the grid.
>
> On 2020-09-29 16:00, Lukas Richert wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to propose a new tag that defines the source of publicly
> available electricity: electricity:source
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source>
>
> This could be used as an additional information tag on amenities that
> provide electricity for public consumption, such as bike/car charging
> stations or camp sites. Many charging stations have nearby solar or use
> green pricing tariffs. I've also seen camp sites and harbours advertise
> this.
>
> This topic came up as a group wanted to plan a bike tour using e-bikes but
> only with renewable energy. I noticed that there appears to be no easy way
> to filter for the source of the electricity provided.
>
> Potential discussion: It's not quite clear to me whether power_supply or
> electricity is preferred for this type of application. It might also be
> interesting for consumers to see which buildings are powered by green
> electricity if this is something a store or similar advertises. So it may
> be worth expanding the proposal to electricity used by the public even if
> not directly available (e.g. lighting in a store).
>
> Best regards,
> Lukas
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