[Tagging] Fwd: Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - reusable packaging

Christian Pietzsch christian.pietzsch at piespace.de
Fri Apr 23 16:08:15 UTC 2021


I just today came across the topic and was about to set up my own proposal. This is quite an important detail for certain customers (including myself). The values are pretty stable (at least yes and only) and can easily be added with services like StreeComplete.
In some countries transition might be quite fast but I'm sure that within a lot of countries this transition will take quite some time or you'll always have non-reusable and reusable packaging existing. Therefore having a tag would be very helpful for people that a conscious about this topic. I think it's very similar to having a tag for vegan/vegetarian food.


Christian aka Hedaja


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Von: "Philip Barnes" <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
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Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - reusable packaging
On Friday, 23 April 2021, Seth Deegan wrote:

> All of those comparisons you made are things that are going to change much
> more often than whether a store accepts reusable packaging.
> 
> I don't think stores are going to change their policy on reusable
> packaging once they start it.

It depends, until the last year I could take a container to the local pub and get it filled with
beer. Currently refilling containers is illegal and they have to use a new container each time.

Phil (trigpoint)

> I and the author see this tag being primarily being used on shops that sell
> food. The chance of them changing their policy on a process as simple as
> simple as distributing food is pretty unlikely.
> 
> I and other eco-advocates around the world see the necessity of
> transitioning to reusable packaging. It's likely that many stores will
> adopt this policy in the future and OSM seems like the perfect platform to
> document that progress and also benefit the consumer.
> 
> lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>
> 
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 9:15 AM Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am against tags that describe short-term business decisions. A shop
> might be part of the XY alliance today and part of the ABC alliance
> tomorrow. They might offer cash withdrawal at the register today and
> stop doing that tomorrow. They might buy green power today and nuclear
> power tomorrow. The supermarket might carry gluten-free food today and
> drop it tomorrow. All these are decisions that are made by some
> management people somewhere in the chain store's management department
> based on forecasts about which "brand message" will bring them the most
> customers, and most of them can be changed willy-nilly, from one day to
> the next.
> 
> I do not wish OpenStreetMap to become a tool in this marketing exercise,
> and I think it is futile for us to run after each little adjustment made
> by the store marketing department.
> 
> Of course if taken to the extreme this opinion would apply to opening
> times and some other frequently recorded things as well. Personally, I
> think there are some properties that are relatively essential - is the
> shop open, and maybe what chain is it part of, if any. But do I really
> need OpenStreetMap to record details about whether a shop has reusable
> packaging? My opinion is, no - not least because it is hard enough to
> keep opening times current, I don't want to have to enter the shop and
> ask if they have changed their policy regarding reusable packaging in
> the last year.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
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