[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - catholic

[Guy Godfroy]

I am OK with subdenomination=*, even if I know that this word will
unleash some other debates. I don't approve "latin" value though, the
official name is "roman", but yeah, that's the idea.

Le 11/08/2021 à 02:16, Greg Troxel a écrit :
> 
> Minh Nguyen <minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us> writes:
> 
>> Besides, denomination=catholic has been around as generic value for
>> about as long as denomination=protestant and denomination=orthodox
>> have been. All three values were later supplemented by more specific
>> values for the same denomination key. Protestantism and Orthodoxy may
>> differ from Catholicism in many ways, but it's only natural that
>> people see an analogy.
> 
> I think we're getting to the heart of the disagreement here.
> 
> Having read up on this, I think denomination=protestant is simply wrong
> semantically as denomination means (wikipedia) "a group that operates
> under common name, tradition, and identity." and specifically talks
> about the word referring to "varieties of protestantism".  And, Orthodox
> isn't quite right because there is an Eastern Orthodox denomination and
> a Coptic Orthodox denomination.  Within Eastern Orthodox there are
> national churches, but scholarship considers it one denomination, as far
> as I can tell.
> 
> And certainly your point about analogy is valid.  The non-Orthodox
> branch of Catholicism has multiple things that are clearly separate
> denominations (those "not in full communion", I think we all agree).
> 
> The real question is if there is one Catholic church with the various
> members with differing rites, or if they are somehow accepting without
> being the same.  Essentially federation vs confederacy, to stir the
> pot :-)   I originally thought otherwise (mostly because Catholic
> churches that are other than Latin are basically unheard of around me),
> but this
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
> 
> convinced me that a single denomination is appropriate, and that pretty
> much everybody is confused about whether Roman Catholic and Catholic are
> synonyms, but that Roman Catholic more clearly excludes Eastern Orthodox
> and Old Catholic.  So I think somewhat the denomination tag should
> probably have been catholic.
> 
> On the other hand, in the US, normal people view Roman Catholic as a
> denomination.  And, despite the full communion notions, the various
> named entities with differing rites meet the definition of denomination
> as having identity/name/traditions.
> 
> As far as sub-tagging, I think it's a mistake to use catholic= because
> that won't work for various other denominations that have names for
> next-level groups.   Instead I think it should be
> 
>   subdenomination=latin
> 
> or perhaps roman or western, depending on the preponderance of
> scholarship of the best term.
> 
> All that said, I have little appetite for a mass bot edit unless there
> is very strong consensus on the right way, and it's pretty clear that
> consensus is lacking.
> 
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