[Tagging] type=* tags on trees

[Mike Thompson]

Casper,

Thanks for discussing this with the community.  It is much appreciated.

1) I haven't reviewed all of your translations.  I suggest you give the
community a few days to look over.
2) If you would document your plan on the wiki (here is one example
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/malenki), the
community would have a more permanent, easily accessible, record of the
mechanical edit.
3) At least in the US, "Pine" is a generic term used in day to day
conversation to describe any evergreen needle leaved tree, which would
include not only pines themselves, but also firs, spruces, and perhaps
others.

Mike

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:10 PM Anne-Karoline Distel <annekadistel at web.de>
wrote:

> Having just tagged about 500 trees myself with the genus and genus:en
> tags, I agree with your suggestion that they should be tagged according to
> the established schemes.
>
> I also agree with the difficulty about landuse=forest and natural=wood.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
> On 18/08/2021 19:36, Casper Kersten wrote:
>
> Dear readers of the Tagging mailing list,
>
>
>
> I discovered that there are over 36,000 trees tagged with type=*, a tag
> that is normally reserved for relations. After checking the tags in JOSM, I
> found that many different tags are duplicates of approved or de facto
> tagging schemes.
>
>
>
> Some examples:
>
> type=Ahorn - 200 uses - should be genus:de=Ahorn
>
> type=broad_leaf - 18 uses - should be leaf_type=broadleaved
>
> type=broadleaved - 132 uses - should be leaf_type=broadleaved
>
> type=deciduous - 85 uses - should be leaf_cycle=deciduous
>
> type=Eiche - 261 uses - should be genus:de=Eiche
>
> type=eucalyptus tree - 22 uses - should be genus=Eucalyptus
>
> type=evergreen - 159 uses - should be leaf_cycle=evergreen
>
> type=Lime - 49 uses - should be genus:en=Lime
>
> type=needleleaved - 33 uses - should be leaf_type=needleleaved
>
> type=Oak - 22 uses - should be genus:en=Oak
>
> type=oak - 87 uses - should be genus:en=Oak
>
> type=pine - 54 uses - should be genus:en=Pine
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> I propose to retag many of the type=* tags on trees to other common
> tagging schemes with sparse editing in JOSM in a single changeset. I am
> familiar with the tagging schemes and I am experienced with sparse editing
> in JOSM. Of course, only tags of which we can be sure will be changed.
>
>
>
> A very similar issue exists with other nodes and ways that are related to
> vegetation, such as landuse=forest and natural=wood. I suggest addressing
> this at a later moment with the experience of the current topic.
>
>
>
> I do not propose to translate any genus:de and genus:en tags to genus=*,
> because in my opinion this topic deserves a separate discussion.
>
>
>
> I do not propose to retag type=palm, which is used on about 31,000 trees,
> also because in my opinion this topic deserves a separate discussion. I
> would like to focus on the other type=* tags on trees.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Casper (Friendly_Ghost)
>
>
>
> P.s. My https://overpass-turbo.eu/ query for reference:
>
>
>
> [out:xml][timeout:600];
>
> node["natural"="tree"]["type"];
>
> (._;>;);
>
> out meta;
>
>
>
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