[Tagging] Should pastures be tagged landuse=meadow or landuse=farmland?

[Peter Elderson]

Sorry, I was too busy ranting. I agree that the changes, while probably
suitable for Nederland, are *not* correctly reflecting the world wide
usage.

Op do 16 dec. 2021 om 07:38 schreef Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>

> In Nederland, most people can't tell what a grassy area is used for, and
> the use of the land changes all the time. It's much easier to tell if an
> area belongs to a farm, and anyone can see that it's covered with mainly
> grass - at that moment.
>
> The result: a patchwork of landuse areas, of which landuse=farmland is
> reliably telling you that the land is used for farming (crop or livestock
> or just resting for later use as either, or awaiting expropriation for
> something else e.g. park, "new nature" or building area, forest or another
> giant motorway crossing -you can never have enough of those, right?-, or a
> new water storage area, which is the destination for most of the country
> anyway, because the sea rises, the rivers bring more water and the rain
> becomes heavier year by year).
>
>
>
> Op do 16 dec. 2021 om 05:25 schreef Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>
>> Meadows (areas of mostly grass and similar herbaceous plants, cut for
>> hay) and pastures ( areas of grass and herbs, used for grazing by animals)
>> are both tagged as landuse=meadow everywhere that I have mapped.
>>
>> It is rare to use landuse=farmland for either.
>>
>> - Joseph
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 7:34 PM Zeke Farwell <ezekielf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of weeks ago a new wiki editor
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DerBauer>
>>> modified several pages in a way that changes the meaning of landuse=meadow
>>> and landuse=farmland.
>>>
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow>
>>> Tag:landuse meadow
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow>  (diff
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dmeadow&type=revision&diff=2225909&oldid=2224216>
>>> )
>>> Tag:landuse farmland
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland>  (diff
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dfarmland&type=revision&diff=2225152&oldid=2224151>
>>> )
>>> Tag:landuse farmyard
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard>  (diff
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dfarmyard&type=revision&diff=2225157&oldid=1935881>
>>> )
>>> Template:Map_Features:landuse
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features:landuse>  (
>>> diff
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMap_Features%3Alanduse&type=revision&diff=2225907&oldid=2210904>
>>> )
>>>
>>> Previously these pages suggested that landuse=meadow is used for
>>> pastures and hay fields, landuse=farmland is used for tilled cropland, and
>>> that some mappers use landuse=farmland for all three.  Some ambiguity
>>> there, but that was the gist of it.  After the recent changes these pages
>>> now state that landuse=farmland should be used for tilled cropland and
>>> pastures, while landuse=meadow should only be used for grassy areas which
>>> are not regularly grazed.
>>>
>>> Is this change in meaning appropriate or not?
>>>
>>>
>>> The description for landuse=meadow was changed from this:
>>>
>>>> An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily vegetated by grass and
>>>> other non-woody plants, mainly used for hay or grazing
>>>>
>>> to this:
>>>
>>>> A meadow - land primarily vegetated by grass and non-woody plants, but
>>>> which is *not* regularly grazed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The description for landuse=farmland was changed from this:
>>>
>>>> Area of farmland used mainly for tillage (annual crops)
>>>>
>>> to this:
>>>
>>>> Area of land operated by a farm whether that is pastoral (livestock) or
>>>> arable (tillage). To be used in conjunction with crop=* to define the crop
>>>> (grass, wheat etc) grown on that land. Separate to tag landuse=farmyard
>>>
>>>
>>> Another section of the landuse=farmland page was change from this:
>>>
>>>> This tag is sometimes used for tagging every agricultural area (except
>>>> farmyards). However we also have separate tags for: meadows and pastures
>>>> landuse=meadow, fruit orchards landuse=orchard, and vineyards
>>>> landuse=vineyard, so many mappers prefer to use landuse=farmland for
>>>> cropland only
>>>
>>> to this:
>>>
>>>> This tag is to be used for tagging every agricultural area (except
>>>> farmyards). There are also separate tags for: fruit orchards
>>>> landuse=orchard, and vineyards landuse=vineyard.
>>>> Meadows have an often confusing separate tag landuse=meadow attributed
>>>> to them. An agricultural meadow is a separate distinction under the
>>>> farmland parent category where the ground cover is grass but is not
>>>> regularly grazed by livestock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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