[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential Zoned Parking

[MatthiasMatthias]

+++ this mail replaces my earlier one, now using the correct issuer 
email - and added some comments +++

Hello Michael and thank you for your good comments!

No, my proposal is not complete. It is the first time I am writing one 
and I understood the process as iteration until agreed and then entering 
voting state. So I am very happy with your comments and I will try to 
respond to your raised issues:

I propose to map it as a boundary as it is usually defined as such by 
the cities. Also, it covers a quite large zone and would be painful to 
map and especially to adapt if zones are modified. I have have added 
this to the proposal.

Looking closely at the parking-condition=residents, it seems actually to 
match my use case - but is cumbersome to map way by way (if there is not 
a respective plugin?).

Concerning your references, I am not sure to understand. I have linked 
some cities in my proposal which show the parking zones exactly as 
polygons, for example: https://www.stuttgart.de/parkraummanagement. 
Maybe you can explain me once more the issue?

Have a good evening and happy holidays
Matthias


On 24.12.21 18:00, Michael Reichert wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Am 24/12/2021 um 16.07 schrieb MatthiasMatthias:
>> Proposal to add a zone for residential zoned parking: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Residential_Zoned_Parking 
>
>
> I hope your proposal is not complete yet because it does not answer 
> the following questions:
>
> How is this mapped? Is the tag added to the ways or is it mapped as a 
> boundary.
>
> What are the benefits of your proposal compared to 
> parking:lane:condition=residents?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane#Parking_conditions
>
> Section "Examples":
> > As mentioned in the introduction, residential parking zones are
> > widespread in the U. S.
> >
> > In Germany, cities like Stuttgart, Mannheim and Hamburg make use of
> > residential parking, for example.
> >
> > Each zone is several square kilometers large.
>
> Leaving the questions apart, I presume that your proposal is not 
> suitable for the situation in Germany [1]. In Germany, a residential 
> parking zone must not be larger than 1000 m. Within that zones at 
> daytime (9:00 am to 6:00 pm) no more than 50% of the parking spaces 
> must be reserved for residents. At night, no more than 75% must be 
> reserved for residents. The other areas are either without any ruling, 
> for charge or require a parking disc. The places available for every 
> motorist are usually located next to shops and other POIs, not in 
> quiet side streets. As an result, you do not have a homogenous zone 
> such as an "Umweltzone" (low-emission zone). Instead, you have streets 
> with real zone signage [2] and streets with dozens of traffic signs [3].
>
> In Germany, residential parking zones are called zones by politicans 
> and administrations but in practice, they are scattered roads but no 
> clean polygons. And on private property, parking depends on the will 
> of the land owner.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> [1] The Allgemeine Verwaltungsvorschrift zur Straßenverkehrsordnung 
> (VwV-StVO) is the legal ruling for residential parking zones.
> Legal source: VwV-StVO zu § 45 StVO, Rn. 29 ff.
> http://www.verwaltungsvorschriften-im-internet.de/bsvwvbund_26012001_S3236420014.htm 
>
> [2] 
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.0041869&lng=8.3980151&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=289373479520905&x=0.5285809265698084&y=0.39416541956241613&zoom=0
> No-parking zone, including parking lane, except residents with 
> residential parking card D 2
> [3] 
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.0041869&lng=8.3980151&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=289373479520905&x=0.5285809265698084&y=0.39416541956241613&zoom=0
> to the right: parking place, reserved residents with residential 
> parking card B1, Monday to Saturday 08:00-20:00 parking for charge for 
> everyone else
> to the left: parking place reserved for disabled people between 09:00 
> and 18:00; 18:00-09:00: parking place for everyone
>
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