[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse bush

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

The potential pitfall with shrub/shrubbery is that these (sorry) landscaped
areas very frequently have combinations of shrubs/bushes, leafy ground
cover plants, ornamental trees, ornamental grasses, and flowers.  So, if we
are okay with handwaving all of these different categories away and saying
that shrub/shrubbery (or whatever the tag gets called) also covers these
areas of mixed landscaping that aren't exclusively a flowerbed but also
aren't strictly just shrubbery, then I can live with that as long as this
usage is carefully described to have that broad definition.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:48 AM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This use of “landscaping” is mostly US English and may not be understood
> in most of the world, where British English is standard.
>
> It also lacks precision. Is a decorative garden “landscaping?” How about a
> vegetable garden? Just and area of grass?
>
> We currently have tags for leisure=garden and landuse=grass and
> landuse=flowerbed, so I recommend focusing on what is missing: a tag for an
> area of cultivated decorative shrubs (aka bushes), which is not a hedge.
>
> The term “shrubs” as the tag value will be the clearest option for
> International users, since “bush” has very different meanings in Australia,
> Africa etc.
>
> — Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 8:37 AM Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This might be a language difference, but in US English "landscaping" is
>> also used as a noun to describe an area of human-created plants or other
>> natural objects that are groomed for aesthetic or decorative purposes.  It
>> includes lawns, cultivated beds of bushes and shrubs,  etc.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 11:30 AM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think landscaping is an activity, a craft or an art maybe. Not a kind
>>> of object or covering. I think it is better to map what you see and can be
>>> clearly verified by anyone looking at it, not what you know or suspect has
>>> happened to make it look like that.
>>>
>>> Peter Elderson
>>>
>>>
>>> Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 13:42 schreef Vincent van Duijnhoven via Tagging <
>>> tagging at openstreetmap.org>:
>>>
>>>> From all discussion, I get the feeling that both a new landuse or
>>>> natural value are not going to succeed because it is controversial to add a
>>>> new value. Some will, I think correct, oppose because it would fragment the
>>>> vegetation tagging even further
>>>>
>>>> I had a discussion with ZeLonewolf on Discord. Would there be support
>>>> for a tag like landscaping=*? Possible values could be shrubbery | grass |
>>>> trees/forest | flowerbed etc. For example on the following image:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/w4gAW6D.png 1 would be tagged as natural=wood (
>>>> leave the discussion about how to tag the forest for now), 2 as
>>>> landscaping=grass, and 3 as natural=tree. If 2 would have been low
>>>> shrubbery for decoration, landscaping=shrubbery would be sufficient.
>>>>
>>>> This tagging scheme would still honor for example natural=scrub from
>>>> scrublands and natural=shrub from individual shrubs. Also, the landuse tag
>>>> would be left untouched and still available to only tag real landuse (like
>>>> residential and industrial).
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, landscaping=* would allow to also properly tag the
>>>> content of a leisure=garden and leisure=park in more detail.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a workable solution?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Vincent
>>>>
>>>>
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