[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse bush

Thu Feb 4 17:30:39 UTC 2021

Yes, "greenery" would also be a fitting description for these areas, and it
is also familiar terminology in the US.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that's asking for mistagging. I can't see innocent mappers tagging
> seasonal flowerbeds, grass, and mixed grass, low trees and bushes as
> shrubbery.
>
> In Nederland, this is called "groen", i.e. "green stuff". The most common
> urban variant is "gemeentegroen", i.e. municipal green stuff, because it's
> often maintained by a municipal service. In a previous iteration of this
> discussion I was told that "greenery" was a correct term for this, leaving
> out who owns or maintains the stuff. It's just what you see.
>
> Vr gr Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 18:10 schreef Brian M. Sperlongano <
> zelonewolf at gmail.com>:
>
>> The potential pitfall with shrub/shrubbery is that these (sorry)
>> landscaped areas very frequently have combinations of shrubs/bushes, leafy
>> ground cover plants, ornamental trees, ornamental grasses, and flowers.
>> So, if we are okay with handwaving all of these different categories away
>> and saying that shrub/shrubbery (or whatever the tag gets called) also
>> covers these areas of mixed landscaping that aren't exclusively a flowerbed
>> but also aren't strictly just shrubbery, then I can live with that as long
>> as this usage is carefully described to have that broad definition.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:48 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
>> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This use of “landscaping” is mostly US English and may not be understood
>>> in most of the world, where British English is standard.
>>>
>>> It also lacks precision. Is a decorative garden “landscaping?” How about
>>> a vegetable garden? Just and area of grass?
>>>
>>> We currently have tags for leisure=garden and landuse=grass and
>>> landuse=flowerbed, so I recommend focusing on what is missing: a tag for an
>>> area of cultivated decorative shrubs (aka bushes), which is not a hedge.
>>>
>>> The term “shrubs” as the tag value will be the clearest option for
>>> International users, since “bush” has very different meanings in Australia,
>>> Africa etc.
>>>
>>> — Joseph Eisenberg
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 8:37 AM Brian M. Sperlongano <
>>> zelonewolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This might be a language difference, but in US English "landscaping" is
>>>> also used as a noun to describe an area of human-created plants or other
>>>> natural objects that are groomed for aesthetic or decorative purposes.  It
>>>> includes lawns, cultivated beds of bushes and shrubs,  etc.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 11:30 AM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think landscaping is an activity, a craft or an art maybe. Not a
>>>>> kind of object or covering. I think it is better to map what you see and
>>>>> can be clearly verified by anyone looking at it, not what you know or
>>>>> suspect has happened to make it look like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Elderson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 13:42 schreef Vincent van Duijnhoven via Tagging <
>>>>> tagging at openstreetmap.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From all discussion, I get the feeling that both a new landuse or
>>>>>> natural value are not going to succeed because it is controversial to add a
>>>>>> new value. Some will, I think correct, oppose because it would fragment the
>>>>>> vegetation tagging even further
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a discussion with ZeLonewolf on Discord. Would there be support
>>>>>> for a tag like landscaping=*? Possible values could be shrubbery | grass |
>>>>>> trees/forest | flowerbed etc. For example on the following image:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/w4gAW6D.png 1 would be tagged as natural=wood (
>>>>>> leave the discussion about how to tag the forest for now), 2 as
>>>>>> landscaping=grass, and 3 as natural=tree. If 2 would have been low
>>>>>> shrubbery for decoration, landscaping=shrubbery would be sufficient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This tagging scheme would still honor for example natural=scrub from
>>>>>> scrublands and natural=shrub from individual shrubs. Also, the landuse tag
>>>>>> would be left untouched and still available to only tag real landuse (like
>>>>>> residential and industrial).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally, landscaping=* would allow to also properly tag the
>>>>>> content of a leisure=garden and leisure=park in more detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a workable solution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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