[Tagging] Draft proposal for historic cemetery

[Daniel Capilla]

Hi, Paul.

A more specific value refers to clearly indicating in the tagging 
"historic" (as clearly as possible, and preferably with a well 
documented value on the wiki) which feature is considered as historic.

The value in the tag "historic=*" is used to characterise the type of 
feature. On the "Key:historic" page, contributors are encouraged to use 
values that will be widely recognised and are in common use. [1] The 
value "cemetery" for a historic cemetery is very recognisable and 
commonly used in the real world to refer to a historic cemetery.

On the other hand, no OSM contributor should feel obliged to use a value 
they are not happy with.

Regards,

Daniel


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:historic#Usage


El 10/2/21 a las 0:37, Paul Allen escribió:

> On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 23:16, Daniel Capilla <dcapillae at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dcapillae at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Thank for your comment. That is correct. I have also used
>     "historic=yes". It is the most obvious, though not the most specific.
>
>
> Again, I invite you to explain why you think it is not the most 
> specific.  Or to
> explain what you mean by "specific" in this context.
>
>     A historic building is tagged "historic=building". This is a
>     specific value for "historic". It could also be tagged as
>     "building=yes" + "historic=yes". It is correct, but it is not
>     specific.
>
> Most times I have encountered historic=building it was an error 
> whether it was
> specified as historic=building or building=yes + historic=yes.  Most 
> buildings
> are not of historic note as buildings.  Some have legal protections 
> assigned
> by heritage organizations and are better tagged using heritage=*.  Some
> are of note because a famous person was born there but those usually
> have some sort of memorial plaque and historic=memorial is a better
> way of tagging it.
>
>     This proposal tries to document in the best possible way a value
>     in use for the key "historic". I think that historic cemeteries
>     are features with enough entity to have a specific documented
>     value for "historic". On the "Key:historic" page there are some
>     well-documented values. [1]
>
> I think I've now figured out what you mean by "specific."   It seems 
> to mean
> you think it needs its own historic=* value and your rationale appears 
> to be
> because you'd like it that way.
>
> In contrast to you, I think most values of historic=* are bogus and should
> be deprecated in favour of adding historic=yes where appropriate.  There
> are only a couple of objects which truly justify their own historic value
> because they cannot be anything other than historic, such as memorial
> plaques.  Most houses are not historic.  Most cemeteries are not historic.
> All memorial plaques are historic because they describe something
> noteworthy from the past (noteworthy enough that somebody puts up
> a plaque about it).  You cannot have a memorial plaque or monument
> that is not historic.
>
> -- 
> Paul
>
>
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