[Tagging] Use of highway=track vs highway=service cemeteries, parks, allotment gardens, golf courses, and recreation areas

[Bert -Araali- Van Opstal]

I agree, no one is arguing that that is the way it is defined, however 
historically and locally seen the examples given here it is perceived 
and practised in that sense.

> That said, I've never seen a paved way that I would tag as a track.
Depends of what you consider as pavement.  I have seen many tracks where 
f.i. only the tracks themselves are paved.  In between the individual 
tracks you remain with unpaved surfaces. Do we call them paved or 
unpaved ? I've also seen tracks where some form of open tiles is used to 
allow seepage of rain and stabilising the underlying ground surface 
during f.i. wet seasons and preventing them to turn into giant unstable 
mud-pools or complete removal of compacted surface layers due to water 
run-off during tropical very intensive rain storms.  Should we consider 
that as pavement ? Actually, I am quite happy with the provided grading 
system in tracks, if not in all cases, at least in the majority it works 
for us locally.

Greetings,

Bert Araali

On 26/02/2021 22:02, brad wrote:
> I don't think anyone is arguing 'that a track cannot be used for paved 
> roads and ... highway=service roads should be paved'.    stevea simply 
> suggested that that was how he used to do it.   That said, I've never 
> seen a paved way that I would tag as a track.
>
> On 2/26/21 11:15 AM, Bert -Araali- Van Opstal wrote:
>>
>> Of course, well noticed Christoph, thank you for clarifying I mixed 
>> it up in that sentence. Perfectly correct how we apply it in Africa.
>>
>> Also in support of Florian's statement. Exactly that is how we 
>> applied it in Africa, but there are more countries where this general 
>> principle is applied successfully, like South-America ans most Asian 
>> countries.
>>
>> In my opinion the US group, requesting for the amendment and 
>> clarification in the general description look at it from a too narrow 
>> local perspective. No where does it explicitly say that a track 
>> cannot be used for paved roads, nowhere does it say that 
>> highway=service roads should be paved.  That was like this even 
>> before we had the surface=* tag.
>> We use highway=service tag for any road that is not intended for 
>> general public use, very clear and worked sofar in thousands of 
>> applications worldwide.
>>
>> Tracks could be improved, and should, and is, to be used on any road 
>> which doesn't fall under any other classification and is intended, 
>> either in full, or partially for public use.  Highway=service for any 
>> road where it is not for public use, and the access is restrained by 
>> some access restrictions (preferable to be tagged separately) or 
>> because it's located in an area with access restrictions or private 
>> property.  We should not consider it as being by definition in an 
>> agricultural or rural context. For example: a highway that is 
>> intended for firefighting access in a publicly accessible part of a 
>> forest, where at the same time it is used for hiking by the public, 
>> will be a track.  The same highway at some part might enter a private 
>> part of the same forest, it is not accessible for the general public, 
>> so there yo split it and it becomes a highway=service.
>> Regardless if it is paved or not, the public factor is the 
>> distinguishing factor in these case, meaning, the functional 
>> classification.
>>
>> Another example is that a publicly accessible track, unpaved, which 
>> might be paved over time, if the pure fact that it becomes paved 
>> without changing it's socio-economic character or functionality, 
>> remains a track.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Bert Araali
>>
>> On 26/02/2021 19:13, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>>> On Thursday 25 February 2021, Bert -Araali- Van Opstal wrote:
>>>> The standard highway tagging is mainly based on the physical
>>>> appearance.  Not the functional or just partly the socio-economic
>>>> importance.
>>> The opposite is the case - standard highway tagging - with the exception
>>> of highway=motorway - is almost purely functional in OSM.  There are
>>> some exceptions from that in local practice (like distinction between
>>> highway=trunk and highway=primary in Germany for example).  But overall
>>> all of the main road classes are overwhelmingly used with a functional
>>> semantic delineation.  This is also something data users (both
>>> cartographic and routing) massively rely on.
>>>
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