[Tagging] Highway=rest_area on bicycle or foot routes ?

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Should we remove the reference to "turn-outs" or "lay-bys" from that page?

In North American English a "turn-out" is a place where you can stop your
motor vehicle for a few seconds to allow other vehicles to overtake, or you
might stop there for a few minutes to take a phone call. Usually there are
no services of any kind:
https://driversed.com/driving-information/driving-techniques/turnout-areas.aspx
- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turnout "
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turnout" or "a railroad siding".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnout mentions that a turnout can be a
lay-by, pull-out or parking space, though it can also apparently mean a
"rest area" in British English. I can't find that definition in a
dictionary directly, but wiktionary says "turnout" is a synonym for
"lay-by" which is defined as "A paved
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/paved> area
at the side of a highway <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/highway> designated
for drivers <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/driver> to stop in, for
emergency <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/emergency> parking, or where
vehicles <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vehicle> can wait, with larger
lay-bys possibly having facilities like food vendors
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vendor> or public telephones
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/telephone>."

So some "lay-by" areas might qualify as a rest area, but others are just
temporary parking spots, like a turnout.

As an American, if I were visiting Europe, I would hope to find toilets at
a "rest area", since that is expected here and "rest" is often a euphemism
for "using the toilet" by urinating or defecating, e.g. in "rest room"
(toilet). Is that assumption wrong in any other countries?

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:02 AM ael via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 02:03:33PM +0000, Jeremy Harris wrote:
> > On 02/01/2021 13:36, Paul Allen wrote:
> > > it would be nice to have a good way of indicating those short lengths
> of
> > > road are a layby.
> >
> > Just stick a node on the road with "amenity=parking" "parking=layby" ?
>
> Or just parking=layby ?
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.41854&mlon=-4.22789#map=19/50.41854/-4.22789
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1557202283
>
> I have just checked the latest josm, and confirmed that there is no tag
> for layby. Looking at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=rest_area
> I see
>
> "These areas are also commonly referred to as rest stops, turnouts, or
> lay-bys." [snip]
>
> "In the UK, lay-bys are marked with a blue-background "P" symbol,
> identical to that used for parking areas. The most common variety is a
> simple, ..." [1]
>
> So that wiki page includes laybys as rest_areas, so the josm authors can
> perhaps be forgiven for thinking that there is no (need for) a
> separate layby tag.
>
> But I think the vast majority of UK mappers would disagree.
>
> I think parking=layby is quite well established, but perhaps
> a subtag rest_area=layby might fit. I think I have done that before now.
>
> But it would be good to come to some agreement, update the wiki and
> ask the editor authors to include laybys in their presets.
>
> [1] Not all laybys are marked with a blue-background "P" .
>
>
> ael
>
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