[Tagging] Cartpath RFC

Sun Jan 3 01:19:57 UTC 2021

I'm an American, so I've only heard of "golf carts." Can we confirm that
the term "golf car" is widely used in Britain and also in other countries
where British-influenced English is spoken, e.g. India, Australia,
Singapore, New Zealand etc?

The British dictionaries I can find mainly mention "golf cart" or "golf
buggy", and have no results for "golf car":
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/golf-cart?q=golf+cart
https://www.lexico.com/definition/golf_cart
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/british/golf-cart
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/golf_cart

In this British English corporus there is only 1 results for "golf car",
but 11 results for "golf cart", and 2 results for "golf buggy".
https://www.english-corpora.org/bnc/

It's possible that "golf buggy" is somewhat common in Britain, but "golf
car" seems quite rare.

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 4:44 PM Seth Deegan <jayandseth at gmail.com> wrote:

> Totally agree it's silly. But, standards and uniformity should probably be
> adopted whenever most convenient (now).
>
> The sooner this change is approved:
>
>    - the less features will be tagged with the current golf_cart=* tag
>    - the less issues we'll run into in the future about mappers being
>    confused about why two proposals approved about a year between each other
>    use different terminology
>
> I'm not really sure how to write up a depreciation schedule but what you
> described sounds good to me.
> Could you edit the proposal yourself and add what you described Brian?
>
> *Also lol:*
> [image: image.png]
>
> lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:21 PM Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Personally I think it's pretty silly to have to change the approved key
>> golf_cart to golf_car for the sake of British English, especially since
>> there seemed to be no problem when it was proposed and approved[1] in
>> 2019.  I assume at this point that there are data consumers that use the
>> 80,000 current usages of golf_cart=*.
>>
>> If we must change the key name just for the sake of changing the key
>> name  ::eye roll:: , my hope is that this change would include a
>> deprecation schedule that gives data consumers time to adapt to the new
>> key.  That should include a mechanical edit to dual-tag existing usages, a
>> specified period of time where mappers are instructed to dual-tag with both
>> tags, and a scheduled date in the future on which a second mechanical edit
>> would remove the original tag.  Perhaps 6 months or a year would be a
>> sufficient time window.
>>
>> Or, we could just leave the golf_cart=* tag alone and live with the fact
>> that it isn't the Queen's English.
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:golf_cart
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:53 PM Seth Deegan <jayandseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The golf car path proposal about replacing the current tagging scheme
>>> for mapping golf car paths has been updated.
>>>
>>> *The changes are:*
>>>
>>>    - highway=cart_path -> *highway=golf_car_path*  (Explanation
>>>    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/golf_car_path#Why_such_a_long_value.3F>)
>>>
>>>    - Depreciate the current golf_cart=* access tag and replace with*
>>>    golf_car=** (Explanation
>>>    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/golf_car_path#golf_cart.3D.2A_-.3E_golf_car.3D.2A>
>>>    )
>>>
>>> *Proposal: *
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/golf_car_path
>>>
>>> lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 7:21 AM Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personally, I need a really strong proposal to convince me to vote for
>>>> a new top-level highway tag. I would want something that describes the
>>>> unique characteristics of the road rather than it being specifically for
>>>> golf carts.
>>>>
>>>> For a sub-tag below highway=service I need a less-strong argument.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, 00:13 Minh Nguyen, <minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vào lúc 18:10 2020-12-23, Minh Nguyen đã viết:
>>>>> > I've left out a lot of details, but hopefully this helps get people
>>>>> up
>>>>> > to speed about why the proposal takes the rare step of introducing a
>>>>> new
>>>>> > highway=* value. There's an interesting tension here between the
>>>>> needs
>>>>> > of editor, renderer, and router developers, but hopefully an
>>>>> amicable
>>>>> > solution is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside from the technical considerations, apparently some places in the
>>>>> U.S. go to great lengths to make golf carts a first-class mode of
>>>>> transportation. Peachtree City, Georgia, has a citywide network of
>>>>> over
>>>>> 90 miles of numbered golf cart paths and over 10,000 resident-owned
>>>>> golf
>>>>> carts replete with vehicle registration tags. Like most cycleways in
>>>>> the
>>>>> U.S., the cart paths are multi-use trails that also permit pedestrians
>>>>> and cyclists. [1][2]
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently, the city's cart paths are all tagged as highway=footway
>>>>> with
>>>>> the golf_cart key, but a dedicated highway=* tag would be more
>>>>> accurate.
>>>>> Peachtree City may be an outlier, but there are plenty of other
>>>>> examples
>>>>> of golf cart communities where these paths would be considered
>>>>> something
>>>>> more than just a feature of the golf course.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://peachtree-city.org/216/Paths-Golf-Carts
>>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peachtree_City,_Georgia#Golf_carts
>>>>> [3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/62098675
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
>>>>>
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