[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

Volker Schmidt voschix at gmail.com
Sat Jan 9 08:42:15 UTC 2021

When creating this new page,
we should add references to similar or similarly-named services and define
the differences in content and in tagging

   - share-taxi <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi>(Sammeltaxi
   <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammeltaxi> in German)
   - private hire or taxicab

   - share-taxi with pickup at home (no idea what it is named legally. I
   use this one <https://www.airserviceshuttle.it/en/bus-navetta/>
   regularly to get from home to the airport in Italy - it is operated by the
   local taxi company)
   - We have in Padova (and I'm sure they exist in other places) a ride
   sharing bus-on-demand
   that, during the night, picks you up at the nearest bus stop (of the
   daytime regular service) and brings you at another bus stop. It is operated
   by the local bus company. User interface is  via App. (again no idea how
   you would classify this)
   - Peer-to-peer_ridesharing
   "Mitfahrzentrale" in German)
   - see also Wikipedia disambiguation page ridesharing

Even if at the moment we limit this to the legal access aspects, we need to
get the terminology sorted out at this stage to avoid confusion further
down the line.

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 19:15, Clare Corthell via Tagging <
tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> Given the rich discussion, particularly about pickup spots, I'm proposing
> we limit this proposal to the tag definition for way only. This will allow
> discussion of pickup and dropoff spots modeling to progress to some
> commonly agreeable design.
> Please see the updated proposal:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access
> I suggest this limited scope proposal move to voting at the end next week.
> Thank you for everyone's input and feedback thus far.
> Best wishes,
> Clare
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:02 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Am Mi., 11. Nov. 2020 um 16:16 Uhr schrieb Ilya Zverev <ilya at zverev.info
>> >:
>>> My point is that anywhere except UK, “ride-sharing” is the term for
>>> Uber, Lyft, Bolt, and such. While researching, I’ve found road signs and
>>> articles using “Ride Share” or “ride-sharing” in the US, Australia, and
>>> Russia.
>> I am not convinced. In Germany, there clearly is a distinction between
>> ride sharing ("Mitfahrzentrale" and others, "I am going somewhere anyway
>> and share petrol costs with other people I can take on the free seats in my
>> car") and companies like Uber etc. which are considered
>> "Personenbeförderung" ("I sort of work informally for a company which
>> weasels around taxi and employment legislation by trying to make their
>> business look as if it was about ride sharing").
>>> Even in UK, "ride-sharing" is a common term when addressing these
>>> companies, e.g. on the BBC and Evening Standard websites. It can be found
>>> much more often than "private hire”.
>> It is a term that these companies use themselves because it has a
>> positive image, and someone picks it up. I do not say it cannot be
>> understood, my point is we should not use it, because it devaluates the
>> term.
>>> On the other hand, in London drivers of these cars need to have “private
>>> hire” licenses. We’re discussing access restriction, and these are for
>>> cars/drivers, not for companies. In London specifically this term might be
>>> more correct. In any other place the probability of finding a “ride share
>>> vehicles” restriction is higher than for “private hire vehicles”.
>> there are no restrictions for true ride sharing. These are cars like any
>> other cars, and ordinary drivers who can go anywhere where any other driver
>> can go (almost, actually they will have an advantage von heavy occupancy
>> lanes).
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridesharing_company
>> yeah, the English wikipedia is quite dominated by the North American
>> point of view. I am a bit astonished that the page is only available in 6
>> languages. which could hint that there is some problem with it, for example
>> there is also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpool which is available
>> in 32 languages.
>> Cheers
>> Martin
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