[Tagging] Is shelter=separate wanted? What is the meaning of shelter=yes

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Tue Jan 12 09:50:41 UTC 2021


I don't mind being more explicit about it. If we start doing that, we
probably need to do it for bin=separate too for consistency, if
amenity=waste_basket is mapped on a nearby node, and bench=separate, in
case of amenity bench.

Polyglot

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:40 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

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> Jan 12, 2021, 10:33 by stefan.tauner at gmx.at:
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> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:16:05 +0100 (CET)
> Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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> shelter=separate was recently added to page documenting shelter key
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> See
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:shelter&diff=2012123&oldid=1990179
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> It effectively redefined shelter=yes from "this bus stop has shelter" to
> "this bus stop has shelter that is not separately mapped"
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> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/shelter#values
> shelter=yes has 557 951 uses
> shelter=separate has 245 uses
>
> I want to explicitly describe shelter=yes as "it means that given object
> has shelter. It may
> or may be not mapped as a separate amenity=shelter object"
>
> And describe shelter=separate as unwanted value that should not be used
>
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> I think the point of shelter=separate is to allow data users to
> determine if the stop has a shelter even if it is separately mapped
> without the need to do an additional search around the stop for it.
> That intention is good IMHO but I guess it would be better to do this
> in a relation and there should be a clear hint on the shelter page to do
> that with
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_area
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> The problem is that there is not even plan to how handle over half million
> just redefined shelter=yes, many of them retroactively made incorrect
>
> And looking for nearby amenity=shelter seems relatively straightforward to
> me,
> unlike sidewalks where finding matching separately mapped sidewalk is nasty
> - even if footway=* and sidewalk=separate tags were used
>
> In this case I see no reason to redefine existing tag and introduce more
> work for
> mappers.
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