[Tagging] The use of highway=busway at bus stations

Sun Jul 25 11:07:42 UTC 2021

I would not use highway=busway as part of a bus station that is not part of
a larger actual busway (something like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busways_in_Brisbane )

A "busway" is much more than just "a road of some kind used by busses". See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit

And highway=busway should be limited to actual busways.

From: Vincent van Duijnhoven <vvanduijnhoven at outlook.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:56
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Tagging] The use of highway=busway at bus stations

But a bus station is part of a road network. It is actually an essential
part because it allows people to change from busroutes or to change to other
forms of transport like tram/train/ferry. Take the locations below as an
example. I don't see why this cannot be tagged with highway=busway +
service=(transport_station?). VIa a service tag, you can say that it is
different part of a highway=busway but that it is still part of the network.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/159925449

Or this one. Here it is also an important part of the bus network. Why say,
this is just a service road? 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/197922641

Vincent

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Van: Michael Tsang <miklcct at gmail.com <mailto:miklcct at gmail.com> >
Verzonden: zaterdag 24 juli 2021 19:30
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Onderwerp: Re: [Tagging] The use of highway=busway at bus stations 

On Saturday, 17 July 2021 21:38:59 BST Vincent van Duijnhoven wrote:
> Since the acceptance of highway=busway, a re-tagging operation has
started.
> The wiki page however has room for interpretation about the use of
> highway=busway on dedicated bus stations like
>
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(single,
> road side bus bays excluded). Atleast in the Netherlands, I see a lot of
> roads which are part of bus stations beeing re-tagged to highway=busway
> which started a discussion.
> 
> There are now two possible tagging schemes available for those roads:
> 1) highway=busway
> 2) highway=service + access=no + bus=dedicated
> 
> Is there any concesus/ shared idea on which one should be used considering
> this new tag? These bus stations are often roads where only busses are
> allowed so in that sense they are busways, atleast that is how I see it.
> 
> Greetings,
> Vincent

I object to the idea of using highway=busway inside bus stations. I believe 
highway=busway should be used for roads which belongs to the road network to

be taken into consideration when designing bus routes, but designated as PSV

(possibly +bicycle)-only. The roads inside bus stations are not part of the 
road network, like highway=service.

For example, Coach House Place (
https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opens
treetmap.org%2Fway%2F153245446
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streetmap.org%2Fway%2F153245446&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce81de7fc10434007a8c008
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65CLsF4VrVHZQMhC9H9N0s8H4H6oLSx%2F8WkmX3HOTZQ%3D&reserved=0 ) 
is a good candidate to be retagged as highway=busway , as it belongs to the 
road network for PSV as a route between the train station and the northern 
suburbs.

Michael
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