[Tagging] Adding food=yes / food=no on amenity=pub - is it useful for all pubs?

[Andy Townsend]

On 28/07/2021 15:37, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Food in UK pubs is slightly complicated by franchise kitchens and by 
> the Food Hygiene Rating Service, i.e. the food side of the business is 
> treated as a separate entity to the drinks/snacks side. In OSM this 
> results in 2 nodes inside the same building, or a pub polygon with a 
> fast-food/restaurant node inside it.
>
In a situation like that, where the "food" business is entirely separate 
to the pub and just happens to use the pub for premises, what would you 
tag the food business as - assuming doesn't pass the duck test as a 
restaurant, or a fast food place, or similar? In at least one of its 
incarnations over the last 10 years the Exeter Arms in Derby (which a 
few GB mappers will be familiar with) 
http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=91803260 was in this category, 
but I'm not sure if it still is.

To provide a slightly longer answer to Mateusz' original question the 
sorts of things I think about tagging on pubs in the UK include:

  * Is it actually open or not, and if it's not, is that "not yet
    reopened after Covid" or something else?
  * How good is it at being wheelchair-accessible?
  * Which pub operating company / brewery is it attached to?
  * Is there a beer garden or other outside seating?
  * Is there a car park?
  * Does it serve real ale?
  * Does it serve food *?
  * Does it do accommodation?
  * If it's in the countryside and I walk in there with muddy boots on,
    will I have to take them off to avoid dirtying the carpet?
  * Has it got a coal / wood or similar fire
  * Is it a micropub or does it have a microbrewery on site?

That's very much a rural GB-biased list of course, elsewhere many of 
these won't be relevant and other things will be instead, and like with 
all OSM tags it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't bother checking for 
every possible tag (and I certainly wouldn't suggest that a default 
"StreetComplete" pub quest included all of the above!).

Best Regards (and cheers!)

Andy

* Personally I'd say anything from a pork pie upwards counts as "food" 
but a bag of crisps on its own does not.  In England and Wales a 
"substantial meal" is actually defined by common law** (see 
https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/pub-or-restaurant-is-your-meal-substantial-enough/ 
) and the definition became famous in England before Christmas because 
it was reused as part of the "when you are allowed to go to a pub in 
times of Covid" rules.

** I am not a lawyer but I have provided computer advice to them...



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