[Tagging] Adding food=yes / food=no on amenity=pub - is it useful for all pubs?

[Philip Barnes]

I guess the question of food=yes is going to be subjective.

What does food mean? A bag of crisps or peanuts then probably not I would expect those in all pubs that aren't food led.

The term we use for a proper drinkers pub is 'wet led'. Whilst such pubs may serve food, even if its only Sunday Lunch once a week.

How about something like a pork pie, certainly filling and something I have just enjoyed in one of my 'wet led' locals. Made at a local bakery that has recently opened on the High Street, small towns are doing well out of people  working from home.

Wet led is a useful indicator when choosing a pub, especially with covid restrictions. Food led pubs can be very reluctant to give a table to someone who just wants a couple of pints.  

Phil (trigpoint)

On Wednesday, 28 July 2021, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 28/07/2021 15:37, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > Food in UK pubs is slightly complicated by franchise kitchens and by 
> > the Food Hygiene Rating Service, i.e. the food side of the business is 
> > treated as a separate entity to the drinks/snacks side. In OSM this 
> > results in 2 nodes inside the same building, or a pub polygon with a 
> > fast-food/restaurant node inside it.
> >
> In a situation like that, where the "food" business is entirely separate 
> to the pub and just happens to use the pub for premises, what would you 
> tag the food business as - assuming doesn't pass the duck test as a 
> restaurant, or a fast food place, or similar? In at least one of its 
> incarnations over the last 10 years the Exeter Arms in Derby (which a 
> few GB mappers will be familiar with) 
> http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=91803260 was in this category, 
> but I'm not sure if it still is.
> 
> To provide a slightly longer answer to Mateusz' original question the 
> sorts of things I think about tagging on pubs in the UK include:
> 
>   * Is it actually open or not, and if it's not, is that "not yet
>     reopened after Covid" or something else?
>   * How good is it at being wheelchair-accessible?
>   * Which pub operating company / brewery is it attached to?
>   * Is there a beer garden or other outside seating?
>   * Is there a car park?
>   * Does it serve real ale?
>   * Does it serve food *?
>   * Does it do accommodation?
>   * If it's in the countryside and I walk in there with muddy boots on,
>     will I have to take them off to avoid dirtying the carpet?
>   * Has it got a coal / wood or similar fire
>   * Is it a micropub or does it have a microbrewery on site?
> 
> That's very much a rural GB-biased list of course, elsewhere many of 
> these won't be relevant and other things will be instead, and like with 
> all OSM tags it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't bother checking for 
> every possible tag (and I certainly wouldn't suggest that a default 
> "StreetComplete" pub quest included all of the above!).
> 
> Best Regards (and cheers!)
> 
> Andy
> 
> * Personally I'd say anything from a pork pie upwards counts as "food" 
> but a bag of crisps on its own does not.  In England and Wales a 
> "substantial meal" is actually defined by common law** (see 
> https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/pub-or-restaurant-is-your-meal-substantial-enough/ 
> ) and the definition became famous in England before Christmas because 
> it was reused as part of the "when you are allowed to go to a pub in 
> times of Covid" rules.
> 
> ** I am not a lawyer but I have provided computer advice to them...
> 
> 
> 
>

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