[Tagging] Adding food=yes / food=no on amenity=pub - is it useful for all pubs?

[Jez Nicholson]

The 'wet led' term is echoed in FHRS data. 'The Mapmakers Arms Wet Sales'
gets a rating and if there's a food operation so does 'The Mapmakers Arms
Kitchen'. Franchising shows up in names like 'Thai Bites at The Mapmakers
Arms'. To me, this is a strong definition of "provides food". You could
mark whether 'The Mapmakers Arms Wet Sales' alone can provide you with a
snack.

I'm carefully skirting the discussion of "is having 2 separate nodes, one
for wet sales, one for the kitchen (regardless of whether it is a
franchise), inside a pub polygon" correct or not. I'm just stating a
conclusion of the earlier FHRS Quarterly Projects.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:05 PM Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:

> I guess the question of food=yes is going to be subjective.
>
> What does food mean? A bag of crisps or peanuts then probably not I would
> expect those in all pubs that aren't food led.
>
> The term we use for a proper drinkers pub is 'wet led'. Whilst such pubs
> may serve food, even if its only Sunday Lunch once a week.
>
> How about something like a pork pie, certainly filling and something I
> have just enjoyed in one of my 'wet led' locals. Made at a local bakery
> that has recently opened on the High Street, small towns are doing well out
> of people  working from home.
>
> Wet led is a useful indicator when choosing a pub, especially with covid
> restrictions. Food led pubs can be very reluctant to give a table to
> someone who just wants a couple of pints.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> On Wednesday, 28 July 2021, Andy Townsend wrote:
> > On 28/07/2021 15:37, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > > Food in UK pubs is slightly complicated by franchise kitchens and by
> > > the Food Hygiene Rating Service, i.e. the food side of the business is
> > > treated as a separate entity to the drinks/snacks side. In OSM this
> > > results in 2 nodes inside the same building, or a pub polygon with a
> > > fast-food/restaurant node inside it.
> > >
> > In a situation like that, where the "food" business is entirely separate
> > to the pub and just happens to use the pub for premises, what would you
> > tag the food business as - assuming doesn't pass the duck test as a
> > restaurant, or a fast food place, or similar? In at least one of its
> > incarnations over the last 10 years the Exeter Arms in Derby (which a
> > few GB mappers will be familiar with)
> > http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=91803260 was in this category,
> > but I'm not sure if it still is.
> >
> > To provide a slightly longer answer to Mateusz' original question the
> > sorts of things I think about tagging on pubs in the UK include:
> >
> >   * Is it actually open or not, and if it's not, is that "not yet
> >     reopened after Covid" or something else?
> >   * How good is it at being wheelchair-accessible?
> >   * Which pub operating company / brewery is it attached to?
> >   * Is there a beer garden or other outside seating?
> >   * Is there a car park?
> >   * Does it serve real ale?
> >   * Does it serve food *?
> >   * Does it do accommodation?
> >   * If it's in the countryside and I walk in there with muddy boots on,
> >     will I have to take them off to avoid dirtying the carpet?
> >   * Has it got a coal / wood or similar fire
> >   * Is it a micropub or does it have a microbrewery on site?
> >
> > That's very much a rural GB-biased list of course, elsewhere many of
> > these won't be relevant and other things will be instead, and like with
> > all OSM tags it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't bother checking for
> > every possible tag (and I certainly wouldn't suggest that a default
> > "StreetComplete" pub quest included all of the above!).
> >
> > Best Regards (and cheers!)
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > * Personally I'd say anything from a pork pie upwards counts as "food"
> > but a bag of crisps on its own does not.  In England and Wales a
> > "substantial meal" is actually defined by common law** (see
> >
> https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/pub-or-restaurant-is-your-meal-substantial-enough/
> > ) and the definition became famous in England before Christmas because
> > it was reused as part of the "when you are allowed to go to a pub in
> > times of Covid" rules.
> >
> > ** I am not a lawyer but I have provided computer advice to them...
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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