[Tagging] Adding food=yes / food=no on amenity=pub - is it useful for all pubs?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

One thing with tagging that pubs provide food, is that you would also have
to list times eg lunch 12 - 2, dinner 6 - 9, as I've never seen one that
has food available at all hours.

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 20:38, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com> wrote:

> The 'wet led' term is echoed in FHRS data. 'The Mapmakers Arms Wet Sales'
> gets a rating and if there's a food operation so does 'The Mapmakers Arms
> Kitchen'. Franchising shows up in names like 'Thai Bites at The Mapmakers
> Arms'. To me, this is a strong definition of "provides food". You could
> mark whether 'The Mapmakers Arms Wet Sales' alone can provide you with a
> snack.
>
> I'm carefully skirting the discussion of "is having 2 separate nodes, one
> for wet sales, one for the kitchen (regardless of whether it is a
> franchise), inside a pub polygon" correct or not. I'm just stating a
> conclusion of the earlier FHRS Quarterly Projects.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:05 PM Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I guess the question of food=yes is going to be subjective.
>>
>> What does food mean? A bag of crisps or peanuts then probably not I would
>> expect those in all pubs that aren't food led.
>>
>> The term we use for a proper drinkers pub is 'wet led'. Whilst such pubs
>> may serve food, even if its only Sunday Lunch once a week.
>>
>> How about something like a pork pie, certainly filling and something I
>> have just enjoyed in one of my 'wet led' locals. Made at a local bakery
>> that has recently opened on the High Street, small towns are doing well out
>> of people  working from home.
>>
>> Wet led is a useful indicator when choosing a pub, especially with covid
>> restrictions. Food led pubs can be very reluctant to give a table to
>> someone who just wants a couple of pints.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 July 2021, Andy Townsend wrote:
>> > On 28/07/2021 15:37, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>> > > Food in UK pubs is slightly complicated by franchise kitchens and by
>> > > the Food Hygiene Rating Service, i.e. the food side of the business
>> is
>> > > treated as a separate entity to the drinks/snacks side. In OSM this
>> > > results in 2 nodes inside the same building, or a pub polygon with a
>> > > fast-food/restaurant node inside it.
>> > >
>> > In a situation like that, where the "food" business is entirely
>> separate
>> > to the pub and just happens to use the pub for premises, what would you
>> > tag the food business as - assuming doesn't pass the duck test as a
>> > restaurant, or a fast food place, or similar? In at least one of its
>> > incarnations over the last 10 years the Exeter Arms in Derby (which a
>> > few GB mappers will be familiar with)
>> > http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=91803260 was in this category,
>> > but I'm not sure if it still is.
>> >
>> > To provide a slightly longer answer to Mateusz' original question the
>> > sorts of things I think about tagging on pubs in the UK include:
>> >
>> >   * Is it actually open or not, and if it's not, is that "not yet
>> >     reopened after Covid" or something else?
>> >   * How good is it at being wheelchair-accessible?
>> >   * Which pub operating company / brewery is it attached to?
>> >   * Is there a beer garden or other outside seating?
>> >   * Is there a car park?
>> >   * Does it serve real ale?
>> >   * Does it serve food *?
>> >   * Does it do accommodation?
>> >   * If it's in the countryside and I walk in there with muddy boots on,
>> >     will I have to take them off to avoid dirtying the carpet?
>> >   * Has it got a coal / wood or similar fire
>> >   * Is it a micropub or does it have a microbrewery on site?
>> >
>> > That's very much a rural GB-biased list of course, elsewhere many of
>> > these won't be relevant and other things will be instead, and like with
>> > all OSM tags it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't bother checking
>> for
>> > every possible tag (and I certainly wouldn't suggest that a default
>> > "StreetComplete" pub quest included all of the above!).
>> >
>> > Best Regards (and cheers!)
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > * Personally I'd say anything from a pork pie upwards counts as "food"
>> > but a bag of crisps on its own does not.  In England and Wales a
>> > "substantial meal" is actually defined by common law** (see
>> >
>> https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/pub-or-restaurant-is-your-meal-substantial-enough/
>> > ) and the definition became famous in England before Christmas because
>> > it was reused as part of the "when you are allowed to go to a pub in
>> > times of Covid" rules.
>> >
>> > ** I am not a lawyer but I have provided computer advice to them...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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