[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Utility poles

[François Lacombe]

Hi Joseph,

Le mar. 15 juin 2021 à 03:06, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
a écrit :

> This proposal suggests that all power=pole nodes can have two new tags
> added: utility=power and man_made=utility_pole
>

No it doesn't, in proposal:
"As to prevent unneeded editing and undiscussed replacement of power
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole> by man_made
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:man_made>=utility_pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dutility_pole>, *mappers
will be warned to not mix both and preserve power
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole>*."


> Adding "man_made=utility_pole + utility=power" as synonym of power
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole> is not helpful, I
> would rather deprecate utility
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:utility>=power
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:utility%3Dpower>and consider it
> as an unnecessary  duplicate of power
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole> / power
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=tower
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtower>
>
I agree, that's why the proposal states clearly power=pole and power=tower
remains as this and nobody is encouraged to replace it.

As utility=power is used on a wide diversity of features (markers,
buildings, cabinets, ...), why deprecate it sounds like a solution?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Autility%3Dpower

Again, in proposal: "*Edit* man_made
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:man_made>=utility_pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dutility_pole>, make it
approved except for power poles and add relevant examples."

> Are you proposing to eventually deprecate power
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole> and instead use
> man_made <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:man_made>=utility_pole
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dutility_pole> +
> utility <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:utility>=power
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:utility%3Dpower>? That seems to
> be the only reason to propose duplicating these tags.
>
No, this is not what is proposed here
Implication is not duplication.


> I asked this on the talk page and you did not really answer my question:
> obviously this proposal does not deprecate power=pole, but it seems like
> that might be  your long-term goal
>

This point has been resolved on talk page associated with a second one: "Tag
power <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole> is preserved and
mappers aren't encouraged to mix man_made
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:man_made>=utility_pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dutility_pole> and power
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power>=pole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole>"
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Utility_poles_proposal#Adding_man_made.3Dutility_pole_to_power.3Dpole.3F
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Utility_poles_proposal#Against_man_made.3Dutility_pole_.2B_utility.3Dpower

This proposal is directed towards way less used telecom=pole, to prevent
defining additional specific tagging for utilities as we already have
unreviewed man_made=utility_pole used 36k times.
The most was added during the past year, not my own contribution.

All the best

François
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