[Tagging] Recycling of PET beverage bottles

Yves ycai at mailbox.org
Sun May 23 09:40:00 UTC 2021

Weekly OSM does a good job in spreading the word on new tags, it is worth creating an entry there.

Le 23 mai 2021 11:05:48 GMT+02:00, Jan Michel <jan at mueschelsoft.de> a écrit :
>Hi Raphael,
>On 22.05.21 23:05, Raphael wrote:
> > In my opinion, it is useful to know which recycling facilities only 
>accept PET beverage bottles and with facilities also accept other 
>plastic bottles (and which facilities accept PET in general or plastic 
>in general).
>Yes, absolutely. It makes a lot of sense to have this distinction.
> > He thinks that contributors are not aware of the difference between 
>plastic bottles and PET beverage bottles
>That's not correct. I wrote that mappers are not aware that there are 
>two different tags now and will continue to use the tagging they are 
>used to. And this tagging will be wrong in many cases, so it has to be 
>checked in detail.
> > i asked on the wiki if a new tag should be used for PET beverage 
>bottles. [2] One contributor answered me and recommended me to do so. 
>I've then started to use the tag recycling:PET_drink_bottles=*, which i 
>documented on the wiki. [3]
>This is all fine, but there is still a problem.
>There are two well-known tags (plastic_bottles and PET) which are in use 
>since years and which got partially replaced by the new tag. So, 
>everybody who searches for plastic_bottle as they did in the past years 
>now misses POIs because this tag was removed and replaced by the new 
>PET_drink_bottles. E.g. https://openrecyclemap.org/way/266776739 is not 
>listed as accepting plastic bottles any more.
> > In my opionion, contributors that are interested in recording 
>recycling facilities are aware of these differences (as most people 
>using these facilities are, too). Besides, the name of the tags are 
>clear and they are clearly definied on the wiki.
>No mapper checks the Wiki for changes every time they add a tag 
>somewhere or look up some data in the database. There was a mail about 
>the changes sent by the Wiki to very few people - only those who have 
>this page on their watchlist AND visited it since the last change of the 
>page, i.e. within 25 hours before your addition.
>Additionally, this is just one line in a huge table which can be missed 
>easily (like it is done for most other recycling tags, unfortunately).
>There should be a page for this key (at least a redirect to the main 
>recycling page), so that all the tools (e.g. JOSM - right-click on Tag - 
>Wiki or Taginfo) can show the page with the definition.
>This is no critical issue about your particular change in tagging, but 
>more about the general fact that important changes to tags are edited 
>very silently in the Wiki and it takes ages for other mappers to notice.
>I think that newly introduced tags should be at least announced here on 
>the mailing list - clearly there is no need for a full proposal and 
>voting in cases like this, but a simple email would help a lot.
>E.g. those people working on presets in editors should be aware of it - 
>after all they are the ones who "spread the word" to the typical mapper 
>who is not too involved with tagging details.
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