[Tagging] Adjust proposal: cycle_barrier=squeeze to cycle_barrier=tilted
Mateusz Konieczny
matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Tue Oct 19 06:22:56 UTC 2021
Do you think that cycle_barrier=a_frame or cycle_barrier=a-frame
would be clearly better than cycle_barrier=tilted?
(I have no idea how recognizable this name would be)
Note that its variant is called K-barrier:
https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/access-barrier
http://www.kbarriers.co.uk/barrier-type/
Or are you mentioning to help improve documentation?
(thanks for that! I added it to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:cycle_barrier&diff=2210088&oldid=2209729
)
Oct 19, 2021, 00:13 by nathancase at outlook.com:
> I believe the "official" name for these (at least in the UK) is an "A-frame" barrier. The name deriving from the resemblance to the capital case letter A.
>
> E.g. > http://www.kbarriers.co.uk/a-frame-barrier/
>
> I think they're actually designed to prevent motor cycle access and their use is now discouraged on cycle routes e.g.,
> https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/access-barrier
>
> (more problematically, they can also present an access problem for wheelchair users which is worse than for cyclists who can normally just dismount).
>
> Perhaps cycle_barrier=a_f> rame would be better? But then again, it seems it is often not technically a cycle barrier, it's a motor cycle barrier...
>
>
>
>
> From:> Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> > Sent:> Monday, 18 October 2021, 20:26
> > To:> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> > Cc:> Mateusz Konieczny
> > Subject:> [Tagging] Adjust proposal: cycle_barrier=squeeze to cycle_barrier=tilted
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_barrier> proposal was recently approved
>
> One of tagged features is barrier like > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Barrier2.jpg
> tagged as cycle_barrier=single
>
> Another is following type of barrier, popular in UK:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cycle_barrier_squeeze_image.jpg
>
> Proposal had cycle_barrier=squeeze for it.
>
> Unfortunately it appears to be a poor tag name and likely confusing.
> - cycle_barrier=squeeze may be wider than narrow cycle_barrier=single
> - very narrow cycle_barrier=single requiring squeezing is supposed to be
> still tagged cycle_barrier=single
> - defining feature of cycle_barrier=squeeze is that it is tilted, becoming
> narrower as height increases
>
> Overall this tag name appears to be confusing, with
> cycle_barrier=tilted as seemingly better tag name.
>
> So far it was used 48 times, so it is feasible to change this
> without bad side effects unlike with some poorly designed
> established tagging
>
> It was discussed in
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Advanced_cycle_barrier_tagging#single_vs_squeeze
>
> proposal author commented:
> "Maybe just start a discussion on the Tagging Mailing List and if
> there are no vetos, just document the change on the Wiki pages?
> We also could check if there are some newer uses of "squeeze"
> (mapped since this proposal was approved) and inform the mappers
> about the change/change the usage there..."
>
> What you think about such patch for this proposal?
> Is anyone opposed?
>
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