[Tagging] creameries

Fri Sep 17 23:15:59 UTC 2021

Hi Yves,

yes, as far as I can tell from the about 10 I have consciously seen,
they all have a set of stairs on the outside - I presume it has
something to do with how the milk was delivered.

https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/12318050/graiguenamanagh-creamery-upper-main-street-graiguenamanagh-graiguenamanagh-kilkenny
https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20905107/rathduff-creamery-rathduff-cork
https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20856010/mill-street-timoleague-timoleague-county-cork-2

There are probably more characteristics, but I'm not an expert - this is
just what I have noticed.

Anne

On 17/09/2021 20:44, Yves wrote:
> Ann-Karoline,
> Building=church is not used because it's a place of worship, but
> because the building have a church architecture.
> Is there something really special about creamery buildings that they
> can be recognized easily as such?
> Regards,
> Yves
>
> Le 17 septembre 2021 20:25:45 GMT+02:00, Anne-Karoline Distel
> <annekadistel at web.de> a écrit :
>
>     I hadn't checked out Ireland on OpenHistoricalMap before, it seems
>     to be empty apart from rivers. I usually come across creameries
>     when I'm working on adding buildings to OSM and check against the
>     British War Office map to see if there's anything of interest,
>     house names, ringforts etc. I'm not planning of changing my
>     efficient and industrious routine completely around and only map
>     historical things. That cannot be my priority, when we still have
>     3.5million buildings to map.
>
>     We have building=church where the church is not used as a place of
>     worship any longer, but as a residence, library or restaurant and
>     that's tagged and seems to be okay. Why not creameries?
>
>     Milk is not made in a factory, it comes from a cow. It might be
>     bottled in a factory, though. Unless it is non-dairy milk, but
>     that's not what I'm talking about here. From an international, not
>     native English speaker perspective, I would understand and support
>     the preference for butter_factory, but chances are that everyone
>     in Ireland (and the UK) is gonna tag them as "creamery" anyway,
>     because that is what they are called there and what's in the old
>     maps and potentially the name of the café it has been converted
>     into or what's on the blue plaque outside it.
>
>     Anne
>
>     On 17/09/2021 11:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>>     The previous usage of buildings is something for
>>     OpenHistoricalMap. Many buildings were previously something else:
>>     pubs, warehouses, post offices, etc. IMHO the proposed tagging
>>     does not belong in OSM.
>>
>>     On Thu, 16 Sep 2021, 23:49 Graeme Fitzpatrick,
>>     <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, 17 Sept 2021 at 03:39, Anne-Karoline Distel
>>         <annekadistel at web.de <mailto:annekadistel at web.de>> wrote:
>>
>>             I'm thinking of creating a tag for historic creameries. I
>>             don't know anything about modern ones, they could
>>             possibly included, but the situation in Ireland in the
>>             past was that farmers brought their milk to the local
>>             ceamery, it was skimmed and the cream made into butter or
>>             cheese and the farmers took the rest back home to feed to
>>             pigs or something. I don't know all the technicalities,
>>             but those buildings were purpose built, often still
>>             recognizable by their architecture, mostly vacant now,
>>             but some are converted into cafés, warehouses or other
>>             commercial uses apparently.
>>
>>         In Australia, they were often called a "Butter Factory", &
>>         there are still a number of them still named & standing, but
>>         sadly, no longer operating.
>>
>>             I'd favour building=industrial + historic=creamery plus
>>             start and end_date whereever known, and of course the
>>             current use, if it isn't vacant and/ or derelict.
>>
>>         I think that would be the way to go, except that ours would
>>         be historic=butter_factory. Or would =milk_factory be a good
>>         catch-all term?
>>
>>         Thanks
>>
>>         Graeme
>>
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