[Tagging] traffic calming bicycle bypass
Emvee
emvee-osm at gmx.de
Sun Sep 26 21:24:16 UTC 2021
I did map quite some bicycle_bypass=yes, but for things like this:
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https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=746023462740102&lat=51.850180555556&lng=4.4468583333333&z=17&focus=photo
<https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=292559608998780&lat=51.8654&lng=4.4621527777778&z=17&focus=photo>
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https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=792462621391571&lat=51.889336388889&lng=4.6044030555556&z=17&focus=photo
<https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=792462621391571&lat=51.889336388889&lng=4.6044030555556&z=17&focus=photo>
I see the point that this is not bicycle specific but also
mofa's/mopeds/motorcycles can use it, but two_wheeler_bypass=no does not
look like a good idea to me, two_wheeler is not a common used term. Just
like amenity=bicycle_parking can be often also used by mofa's and mopeds
I do not see too much problems bicycle_bypass.
The problem that I see with traffic_calming:bicycle=no, is also related
to this, it asks for adding traffic_calming:mofa=no +
traffic_calming:moped=no + traffic_calming:motorcycle=no and that sounds
like overkill.
On 26/09/2021 22:04, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> In the examples I do not see any distinction between bicycle and other
> traffic, in particular no difference between motorcycle and bicycle in
> the first one.
> For the third example I would simply use barrier=bollard (which
> includes the case of mre than one bollard). It certainly is not a
> chicane, which implies an obstacle that forces you to deviate from a
> straight line.
> There are also bumps in some countries that let pass motorcars but
> slow down wider vehicles, and other more or less devious arrangements.
>
> This needs more thought, especially if you want to call it
> bicycle-something.
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 21:02, Martin Koppenhoefer
> <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 26 Sep 2021, at 20:30, Jan Michel <jan at mueschelsoft.de> wrote:
> > > traffic_calming:bicycle=no
> >
> > That's also what I would use.
>
>
> if there is some space where a cyclist can pass the obstacle
> without being affected, it’s still different from not being
> affected at all, you have to be careful in order to pass the
> obstacle at this spot, and if you miss it or cannot pass there
> because of the traffic situation, you will still have an obstacle
> on your way.
> That’s why I tend to prefer the bypass solution, as it is a better
> description of the situation compared to a complete negation
>
> Cheers Martin
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