[Tagging] RFC: remove alphanumeric code visible in infoboxes at OSM Wiki linking to Wikidata

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Re: " Misleading links can easily be removed one by one."

Not so easy. I have done this, but it is a pain

You have to go to wikidata and investigate what the linked wikidata object
means, and then you have to investigate what the tag in openstreetmap is
actually used for, because sometimes our wiki is wrong, and decide if they
are similar enough.

If you do this right you will often decide to re-write parts of the
openstreetmap wiki article, to clarify how the tag is actually used

That will often lead to someone complaining about the changes you made, so
then you will have to talk to them about it on the discussion page. Of
course they will often not answer for days or weeks, so you will have to
eventually decide when the discussion has gone on long enough to make the
change.

But if you actually want to get rid of or change the link which is shown on
the rendered wiki page, you have to edit the openstreetmap website data
items (not to be confused with wikidata) or the visualized page will not
change. And then you have to check if there are other versions of the page
in another language which will need to be edited if you want to keep the
wiki consistent.

I no longer think it is worth the trouble, since I have not been able to
convince myself that such frustrating work is a "fun hobby"

If anyone else finds such tasks fun or rewarding, they can certainly
improve links between wikidata and openstreetmap, and this proposal will
not prevent that.

But I do not think that our wiki pages should be promoting this so strongly
by adding a link to every Tag and Key page, even when no data currently
exists or when the link often is wrong.

- Joseph Eisenberg

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Hufkratzer <hufkratzer at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 04.04.2022 19:42, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 4/1/22 16:39, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> >> I propose to remove this link from displayed infoboxes as as confusing,
> >> unnecessary and not worth using infobox space.
> >
> > I support the proposal. I don't care too much about there being a link
> > if someone took the time to create one, but the "there is no link
> > here, please create one" has always irked me, because this request for
> > mappers to do something has been created by a tiny minority of
> > Wikidata enthusiasts trying to push OSMers in their direction. It
> > creates the effort that there was some sort of consensus in OSM that
> > "there should be a link" when in fact no such consensus exists, and
> > the average mapper or wiki user does not benefit from OSM tags being
> > linked to Wikidata.
> >
> > I don't buy into Andy's talk of this proposal being "flawed". When
> > these links (and prompts to create new links) were first introduced
> > (with Andy's eager participation), nobody asked if we perhaps find a
> > flaw with them, they were just pushed out there.
> >
> > (And yes, for those late to the party, this is not about linking
> > individual OSM objects to individual Wikidata entries - this is about
> > an attempt to represent OSM's tagging structure in Wikidata. Something
> > that may well be the hobby of a few Wikidata enthusiasts, but not
> > something that should be pushed into the face of every wiki user!)
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> >
>
> I don't understand this post, because I think it is contradictory in
> itself. I agree with the arguments against the "there is no link here,
> please create one" part, but IIRC the proposal is not only to remove
> this part, but to remove everything that is currently visible about
> Wikidata in the infoboxes, regardless of whether there is a link or not.
> And I would prefer to leave the existing links visible, because many are
> helpful and no one is forced to look at them. Misleading links can
> easily be removed one by one.
>
> To save space, it might be better to write.
> "Wikidara: Q1234456" instead of.
> "Wikidara
> Q1234456"
> (and to remove the "Search Wikidate").
>
> And if that is still too much for some people, maybe it can be made
> possible to disable it completely on an individual basis somehow (an
> additional option in the account preferences or something).
>
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