[Tagging] bicycle traffic is banned in one direction - only on carriageway

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Mon Apr 11 08:38:25 UTC 2022


L1b is missing "and cycling on the left 
(on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cycle_lanes_both_right.svg image) 
carriageway lane is forbidden, while cycling on the right carriageway lane is not"
info.

It matters in case where lane is not automatically utterly banning cycling on carriageway.

bicycle=use_sidepath is for something different AND mapping bicycle lane as separate
way is wrong.

Apr 11, 2022, 00:50 by sebastian.guertler at gmx.de:

>
> It seems to me that you describe case L1b in the wiki: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_in_bidirectional_motor_car_roads
>
>
> I think there is no reason to use another tagging as described      there, (cycleway:right=lane cycleway:right:oneway=no, without the      "bicycle:oneway=yes").
>
>
> bicycle:oneway=yes tells a router that this way is only viable      for bicycles in the direction of that way, but on the main      carriageway they are completely banned, and finally the tag      cycleway:right:oneway=no is conflicting.
>
>
> It isn't clear to me, what you would want to say with the      "bicycle:oneway=yes". Do you mean each single lane? But this isn't      even for the other vehicles the use of the tag. For cars it is the      normal situation that if there are two lanes and it isn't oneway,      that you use each lane just in one direction, exceptions only in      overtaking.
>
>
> To state that the use of the tracks is compulsory you could at      the moment use bicycle=use_sidepath and give the track additional      ways with highway=cycleway. (See > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath> ).
>
>
> Greetings, Sebastian
>
> Am 10.04.22 um 17:25 schrieb Mateusz      Konieczny via Tagging:
>
>> both cases may occur (and would be tagged with an independent        property)
>>
>>
>> Apr 10, 2022, 17:17 by >> voschix at gmail.com>> :
>>
>>> Is the use of the cycle lane mandatory for bicycles in            both directions? Or can cyclist also ride in the allowed            direction on the carriageway?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 at 16:44, Mateusz            Konieczny via Tagging <>>> tagging at openstreetmap.org>>> >            wrote:
>>>
>>>> There could be a case where:
>>>>
>>>> - one side of road has traffic lane where                cars can travel but bicycles are banned
>>>> - another side of road has cycleway lanes                allowing travel in both directions
>>>>
>>>> It can be mapped as
>>>>
>>>> highway=*
>>>> cycleway:right=lane
>>>>
>>>> but it is not representing full info and                is missing substantial part of the situation.
>>>>
>>>> Can it be mapped as
>>>>
>>>> highway=*
>>>> cycleway:right=lane
>>>> cycleway:right:oneway=no
>>>> bicycle:oneway=yes
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> I dislike this tagging as it makes                necessary to  check even more tags to answer
>>>> simple "can bicycles travel in this                direction" but I have no idea how to tag it better.
>>>>
>>>> Is there some other way to represent this?
>>>>
>>>> (it is partial repeat of 
>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-March/thread.html#64148
>>>> but it was not answered clearly.
>>>>
>>>> I am asking as I just discovered that need                to decide on that to implement
>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3544
>>>>
>>>> It appears to be not described at >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway
>>>> or >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle
>>>> )
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