[Tagging] Meaning of access=yes on highway=footway?

[Peter Elderson]

Nederland has increasing numbers of cycleways and some footways where other vehicles are tolerated as guests, i.e. have access but no rights at all. Eg the signage says cycleway, with an undersign saying "Auto te gast" meaning "cars are guests here" 

AFAIK this guest status applies to all other motorvehicles. Horses, I don't know. 

Would this be highway=cycleway, access=yes? Or motor_vehicle=yes?

Peter Elderson

> Op 25 apr. 2022 om 13:32 heeft Florian Lohoff <f at zz.de> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 12:13:30PM +0100, Dave F wrote:
>>> On 24/04/2022 16:56, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>>> 
>>> So highway=footway, vehicle=agriculture is something i have seen tagged
>>> and which perfectly reflected legal state on the ground.
>> 
>> No, it can't.
>> 
>> If vehicles are legally permitted along a way then it can't be a 'footway'.
>> 
>> In OSM a footway explicitly excludes motor vehicles.
> 
> It does so by default - if you put access tags on there it can. Thats
> the full point. And its a very valid thing to do.
> 
> We tag by primary usage. If its a foot/cycleway by default and permits
> usage as a track it is a very valid usage to tag
> 
>    highway=footway
>    vehicle=agricultural
> 
> I have seen this a couple of times and for me it makes a lot of sense.
> And i even have seen signs with "Combined Cycle/Footway" (German
> Zeichen 240) and "Landwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei" e.g. "Agricultural
> traffic permitted"
> 
> highway=* is NOT about physical properties. Its about usage.
> 
> Flo
> PS: Not that i think tagging anything with agricultural makes ANY sense 
> as the farmer knows his farmland and does not care about access
> tags in OSM, he/she will not even use it. Everybody else is not
> affected.
> -- 
> Florian Lohoff                                                     f at zz.de
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