[Tagging] Meaning of access=yes on highway=footway?

[Dave F]

What does "frontisti" mean? Google gives me "frontists".

For both your examples I would tag them as service roads with 
bicycle=designated and any appropriate designation/refs

DaveF



On 25/04/2022 14:45, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> In  my area of northern Italy we have plenty of combined 
> foot-cycle-ways that are open open to residents' motor vehicles.
> Many of them will be tagged according the JOSM presets as
> highway=path
> foot=designated
> bicycle=designated
> vehicle=destination
> or variants thereof.
> Combined foot-cycle-ways (no separation  line between foot and 
> bicycle) in Italy are footways (sidewalks) on which bicycles can 
> circulate giving precedence at all times to pedestrians.
> So, yes, we have many (legally) footways on which some motor vehicles 
> can circulate regularly.
> Two examples: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=323783199179422, 
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=515992906067144
>
> Volker
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 14:25, Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Nederland has increasing numbers of cycleways and some footways
>     where other vehicles are tolerated as guests, i.e. have access but
>     no rights at all. Eg the signage says cycleway, with an undersign
>     saying "Auto te gast" meaning "cars are guests here"
>
>     AFAIK this guest status applies to all other motorvehicles.
>     Horses, I don't know.
>
>     Would this be highway=cycleway, access=yes? Or motor_vehicle=yes?
>
>     Peter Elderson
>
>     > Op 25 apr. 2022 om 13:32 heeft Florian Lohoff <f at zz.de> het
>     volgende geschreven:
>     >
>     > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 12:13:30PM +0100, Dave F wrote:
>     >>> On 24/04/2022 16:56, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> So highway=footway, vehicle=agriculture is something i have
>     seen tagged
>     >>> and which perfectly reflected legal state on the ground.
>     >>
>     >> No, it can't.
>     >>
>     >> If vehicles are legally permitted along a way then it can't be
>     a 'footway'.
>     >>
>     >> In OSM a footway explicitly excludes motor vehicles.
>     >
>     > It does so by default - if you put access tags on there it can.
>     Thats
>     > the full point. And its a very valid thing to do.
>     >
>     > We tag by primary usage. If its a foot/cycleway by default and
>     permits
>     > usage as a track it is a very valid usage to tag
>     >
>     >    highway=footway
>     >    vehicle=agricultural
>     >
>     > I have seen this a couple of times and for me it makes a lot of
>     sense.
>     > And i even have seen signs with "Combined Cycle/Footway" (German
>     > Zeichen 240) and "Landwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei" e.g.
>     "Agricultural
>     > traffic permitted"
>     >
>     > highway=* is NOT about physical properties. Its about usage.
>     >
>     > Flo
>     > PS: Not that i think tagging anything with agricultural makes
>     ANY sense
>     > as the farmer knows his farmland and does not care about access
>     > tags in OSM, he/she will not even use it. Everybody else is not
>     > affected.
>     > --
>     > Florian Lohoff f at zz.de
>     >  Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
>     magic.
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