[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing:markings

[Volker Schmidt]

I am strongly against any changes using mass deprecations for very
practical reasons:
I am a regular mapper of cycling related aspects.
Already now, when I try to save a change set the editor (JOSM) very often
warns me about many deprecated map features present in the data. Please do
not introduce more.
I am reasonably happy to correct real errors that happen to show up, but I
am unhappy to correct also mapping that was formally correct when inserted
in the map, but that has been declared obsolete because someone has come up
with a different way to map the same thing just because it fits better in
some kind of new mapping scheme.



On Sun, 24 Jul 2022, 01:04 Alexander Kane, <1998alexkane at gmail.com> wrote:

> If it is used in Italy to describe pavement markings (and only the
> pavement markings) then I see no reason that these should not be retagged
> to crossing:markings=zebra over time.
>
> On the other hand, if Italy has a standardized "zebra crossing" (similar
> to how I described for the UK) then whatever this means in Italy should be
> documented on the wiki (signage, priority, etc.).
>
> Alex
>
> Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> schrieb am So., 24. Juli 2022, 00:20:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 at 12:50, Alexander Kane <1998alexkane at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I updated the proposal saying that using crossing_ref to describe
>>> pavement markings should be depricated.
>>>
>>
>> Please do not do that. This tag is used in that sense, in Italy alone,
>> 32k times.
>>
>> Volker
>>
>> The biggest effect of this is that crossing_ref=zebra should be reverted
>>> to its original definition. Currently, the page for crossing_ref=zebra
>>> mentions only the road markings, while the key page for crossing_ref=*
>>> states that it is the local name for the crossing type, and that (in the
>>> UK) crossing_ref=zebra implies more than just zebra markings, but also
>>> Belisha beacons, zig-zag markings, and pedestrian priority.
>>>
>>> Crossing_ref certainly needs an overhaul imo (maybe something like
>>> crossing:designation=GB:zebra or the like) but this would probably be best
>>> as a separate proposal. In any case, removing info only about the road
>>> markings will help make crossing_ref more useful.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> schrieb am
>>> Mo., 11. Juli 2022, 10:56:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 11 lip 2022, 10:07 od minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us:
>>>>
>>>> Somehow railroad crossings managed to escape the trap of shortsighted
>>>> classification tagging. The rail regulators in my region classify level
>>>> crossings on a linear scale. For example, the presence of flashing lights
>>>> **of course** implies a bell, a saltire, and the requirement for the train
>>>> to blow its horn. [5] But I see no problem in filling out a detailed form
>>>> about crossing:saltire, crossing:bell, crossing:light, and crossing:horn.
>>>> The extra checkboxes benefit regions where these fundamental laws of the
>>>> universe do not hold. There can always be a preset for each common
>>>> combination for mappers' convenience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and crossing tagging should be decoupled into such separate tags.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise it will never solve of problems that in different regions
>>>> different
>>>> things come in a different sets (zebra markings / traffic lights etc)
>>>>
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