[Tagging] Free of charge segments of formally paid road

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:27 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:21 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
>
>> That said, intracity free gaps are common here, we just tag those toll=no
>> for the free segments.  This comes up on Oklahoma turnpikes and Kansas
>> state cycleways (which are typically toll except within city limits).
>>
>
> What's a little unusual is that you pay the fee to travel from exit 25 to
> exit 25A if you came from farther away or are going farther away.  The fee
> is waived if you're getting on at 25 and off at 25A, because both exits
> serve the same city. So toll=no isn't accurate.
>

At this point I'm wondering what exactly the practical application is?  If
people are coming from exit 24 or earlier, or continuing past 25A, they're
going to be charged toll.  So the segment of 25 to 25A would be toll=no,
and consumers still know that there's a toll incurred for the other
possibilities.  Win/win.

That said, this does have some shortcomings for weird edge cases in
Oklahoma, but...they are weird.  One that comes to mind is traffic exiting
I 44 to the Kellyville exit going eastbound, cash customers are supposed to
stop at the toll plaza to get their change.  This toll plaza was built but
the cash lane never opened, you just get overcharged 25¢ unless you want to
take a trip down to Sapulpa to the PIKEPASS office to pick it up, but at
that point, you've just spent the quarter you would have got back to go one
more exit down the turnpike to get the quarter you didn't get at Kellyville
so, it's moot.  Another would be OK 364.  If you enter at US 75 and head
towards I 44, the first toll plaza you reach will assume you entered at the
Tulsa end of I 44, not anywhere on the Creek Turnpike, thus making the
Creek Turnpike segment toll-free when it shouldn't be due to the lack of
cash lanes at the interchange.  The opposite's also true, you can come down
the Turner Turnpike on I 44, reach Sapulpa and then take the Creek Turnpike
ramp to stay in the Oklahoma Turnpike system, and continue to US 75 and not
pay the extra 70¢ you would if you had a PIKEPASS.  And that's only
covering edge cases that work for the 2-axle fare schedules...there's
several other fare schedules for the same routes!

Are we really going to get that far into the weeds for semantics on a
literally yes/no value?
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