[Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

[Warin]

On 14/10/22 22:33, Peter Elderson wrote:
> Just a remark: I think a mainly decorative object is not an amenity. 
> An amenity may be near it, or attached to it, but that still does not 
> make the object an amenity.


Some view works of art as amenities.

A road is an amenity .. yet they are not tagged amenity in OSM.

A building is an amenity.

I view most values of man_made as amenities...


I think of OSM key 'amenity' as the miscellaneous folder .. a catch all. 
If there is a less general key then I think that other key should be 
used in preference to the key 'amenity'.


> An object that provides water for actual use, such as a tap or a pipe 
> from which water permanently flows, is an amenity. It may be 
> decorated, or fitted to a decorative object, but still is an amenity. 
> The BE word fountain, I understand, primarily means the decorative 
> structure including the decorative waterflow.

That is one meaning of it. It can also mean the starting point of a 
river/stream... and other things.

Possibly some view the word 'fountain' as meaning "a source of water'. 
Decorative fountains around me are not sources of water .. using the 
water from a fountain could have the Police/council Rangers called.


> So, to me, any tagging using amenity=fountain sounds like a contradiction.


I reach the same conclusion, but for different reasons.

>
> Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op vr 14 okt. 2022 om 12:22 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer 
> <dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
>
>     Am Fr., 14. Okt. 2022 um 12:10 Uhr schrieb Davidoskky via Tagging
>     <tagging at openstreetmap.org>:
>
>         This other fountain doesn't have such wall, thus it is not
>         decorative
>         and it cannot be tagged as amenity=fountain (assuming we
>         disregard the
>         recreational utility mentioned in the wiki).
>
>         https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Water_fountain_with_water_basin_near_Santiago_de_Compostela.jpg
>
>
>
>     this other fountain happens to be decorated as well. Let's ignore
>     this for a moment, and assume it wasn't. It could still be a
>     decorative fountain, if it can be seen as street decor. Setting up
>     a fountain requires some effort, so there will usually be a
>     purpose, even if it isn't necessary now as it was when it was
>     constructed. I would generally see amenity=fountain applicable for
>     any fountain that is not only a drinking fountain and that is not
>     set up as a watering place for animals only.
>
>
>
>         The shape and use of these two fountains looks the same to me.
>         Why would you tag them as different features?
>
>
>
>     I wouldn't
>
>
>         I'm not necessarily saying they need to be tagged as
>         amenity=fountain,
>         but I would expect their main tagging to be the same and maybe
>         differ in
>         some secondary parameter.
>
>
>
>     maybe, if you come up with an idea about these secondary
>     parameters, we can discuss them.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Martin
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