[talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners

[Simon Poole]

Richard

while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to desire, in
the case of the licence change there has been a substantial amount of
communication to the mappers. The only reason I can see for you -not-
getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is that you must have practically
immediately declined when that became possible. And I assume the
reasoning at that point in time was that as a decliner you were already
informed about the issues and didn't need the OSMF pointing out
something you already knew about.

Simon

Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless:
> I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just
> once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point was
> that OSM never  contacted me to say that a licence change was being
> considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making a major
> change to the system.
>
> I also take issue with this statement:
> Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build
> data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our
> projects.
> Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If anyone
> built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a result, blame
> OSM, not the members who declined.
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been
>> pursued, sure.  But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried to
>> keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet.  I think a fair few
>> people have been trying to get in touch with as many people as possible.
>>
>> I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors individually
>> who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't edited for a
>> while.  These are the people who may not be engaged with the
>> community any longer, and who actually may not know about the licence
>> change.  Did you decline the licence change?  Because if you did, I'd
>> have assumed that you knew about it and were aware of the discussion,
>> and therefore didn't need to be contacted.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ian.
>>
>> On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless <firefly at ar.com.au
>> <mailto:firefly at ar.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>     Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better.
>>
>>     Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE
>>     communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to
>>     reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not
>>     have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows how
>>     much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about changes.
>>
>>     Richard
>>
>>     On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote:
>>
>>         On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant
>>         Slater<openstreetmap at firefishy.com
>>         <mailto:openstreetmap at firefishy.com>>  wrote:
>>
>>             Australian Decliners,
>>
>>             As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's
>>             sysadmin team I
>>             kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined status.
>>             Time is
>>             about to run out.
>>
>>         You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as we
>>         were
>>         insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you come
>>         begging
>>         for us to reconsider.
>>
>>         Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered, after
>>         all you
>>         are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are
>>         choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to
>>         call the
>>         whole thing off.
>>
>>
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