[talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners

[Richard Colless]

No!  Wrong!

I've never actually declined at all. I have just never accepted the new 
CT's. I didn't decline because I wasn't asked. From my point of view, 
there wasn't _*any*_ communication directly with the mappers. I knew 
about the changes *only *because I am on the Talk-Au list. OSM never 
contacted me, and until quite late in the story, I didn't even get any 
advice about the change when I logged on to make edits.

I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to 
accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the 
objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done 
nothing to make me reconsider.

Richard

On 31/03/2012 7:03 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
>
> Richard
>
> while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to desire, 
> in the case of the licence change there has been a substantial amount 
> of communication to the mappers. The only reason I can see for you 
> -not- getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is that you must have 
> practically immediately declined when that became possible. And I 
> assume the reasoning at that point in time was that as a decliner you 
> were already informed about the issues and didn't need the OSMF 
> pointing out something you already knew about.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless:
>> I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just 
>> once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point 
>> was that OSM never  contacted me to say that a licence change was 
>> being considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making a 
>> major change to the system.
>>
>> I also take issue with this statement:
>> Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build
>> data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our
>> projects.
>> Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If anyone 
>> built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a result, blame 
>> OSM, not the members who declined.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been 
>>> pursued, sure.  But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried to 
>>> keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet.  I think a fair few 
>>> people have been trying to get in touch with as many people as possible.
>>>
>>> I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors 
>>> individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't 
>>> edited for a while.  These are the people who may not be engaged 
>>> with the community any longer, and who actually may not know about 
>>> the licence change.  Did you decline the licence change?  Because if 
>>> you did, I'd have assumed that you knew about it and were aware of 
>>> the discussion, and therefore didn't need to be contacted.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>> On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless <firefly at ar.com.au 
>>> <mailto:firefly at ar.com.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better.
>>>
>>>     Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE
>>>     communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to
>>>     reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not
>>>     have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows
>>>     how much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about
>>>     changes.
>>>
>>>     Richard
>>>
>>>     On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>         On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant
>>>         Slater<openstreetmap at firefishy.com
>>>         <mailto:openstreetmap at firefishy.com>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>             Australian Decliners,
>>>
>>>             As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's
>>>             sysadmin team I
>>>             kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined
>>>             status. Time is
>>>             about to run out.
>>>
>>>         You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as
>>>         we were
>>>         insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you
>>>         come begging
>>>         for us to reconsider.
>>>
>>>         Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered,
>>>         after all you
>>>         are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are
>>>         choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to
>>>         call the
>>>         whole thing off.
>>>
>>>
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