[talk-au] Legal access to Public land ...

[forster at ozonline.com.au]

Hi

Even with Warin's proposed edit to the wiki guidelines, I think it is  
still unclear whether its better to use the value 'private' or 'no'  
for the 'access' key. (And the various transport mode keys).

For example, for tracks in national parks and closed water catchments  
which have more restrictive conditions for the general public than  
they do for the managing bodies, such as:'Management vehicles and  
walkers only'.

The guidelines http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Values
'no' 	No access for the general public
seems to me to mean much the same as
'private' Only with permission of the owner on an individual basis

Maybe some specific examples in the wiki might help clarify this?

Tony

> On 7/5/2016 9:13 AM, Mark Pulley wrote:
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 3:30 pm, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/2/2016 9:26 AM, Frank wrote:
>>>> OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
>>>> changed on 1 July 2016 by Swanilli to say that the public has a   
>>>> legal right to access public land ...
>>>>
>>>> No!
>>>>
>>>> The NSW NPSW do legally exclude the public from certain areas and  
>>>>  at least vehicles from certain tracks.
>>>>
>>>> The NSW, WA, SA and Victorian State Forests legally exclude the   
>>>> public too .. think about the car rallies held from time to time.
>>>>
>>>> Even 'public roads' get closed to the public from time to time...  
>>>>  how else would the Bathurst Road Race be held?????
>>>>
>>>> I have remove the offending statement from the wiki. I did   
>>>> attempt to contact the user .. but the wiki page has no send a   
>>>> message' type thiny ...  hence this message.
>>> Found the contact ... made comments on 2 changesets.
>>> Confusion may have arisen over plain English understanding of
>>> access=no
>>>
>>> But the tags are
>>> access=no
>>> foot=yes
>>>
>>> meaning you can access by foot but nothing else... in the OSM data base.
>>
>> I have been using
>>
>> motor_vehicle=no (or motorcar=no / motorcycle=no)
>> foot=yes (or foot=designated)
>>
>> and depending on other tags
>>
>> bicycle=no (or bicycle=designated if specifically signposted)
>>
>> Mark P.
>>
>
> Thanks Mark. That is a good method...
>
> I'd use motor_vehicle as that covers trucks, tractors etc.
>
> On review I think something for the Oz wiki tagging guide lines page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Access_roads_on_public_land  along the   
> lines
> of
>
> "Where an access road crosses public land it should not be assumed to
> have or not have access restrictions. Where a sign says "Authorised
> vehicles Only" or you know that access is restricted the tag
> motor_vehicle=private could be used to indicate the access restriction.
> Access restrictions for others (walkers, cyclists etc.) should be found
> on the access wiki page (link to
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access).
> To help other mappers recognise the validity of the access restriction
> a sourec tag can be used e.g. source:access_motor_vehicle=sign on
> eastern end of road"
>
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