[talk-au] Rock Overhangs

[Andrew Harvey]

> when (how deep) does a rock overhang / shelter become an actual cave? :-)
Some judgement is needed, but the ones I've seen are pretty clear cut as
being one or the other.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter just says "A
shelter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_(building)> is small place to
protect against bad weather conditions." which is mostly what these
overhangs are used for, so I think it's the appropriate tag. If that
shelter is frequently used as a camp site (now, not just historically) then
can be tagged tourism=camp_site with a few extra tags from
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=camp_site to help
distinguish this small camp site from the larger ones.

Is "not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating equipement inside"
supposed to be a criteria for a shelter?

I would say no. We should tag the rock overhang for what it is, and use
tourism=camp_site to say if it's commonly used for sleeping too.


On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 08:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 18:14, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rock overhangs (rock shelters) have been quite extensively mistagged in
>> Australia as natural=cave_entrance.
>>
>> Are there any objections to re-tagging these overhangs tagged as
>> natural=cave_entrance to amenity=shelter + shelter_type=rock_shelter?
>>
>
> No real objection, Andrew, but when (how deep) does a rock overhang /
> shelter become an actual cave? :-)
>
> Also noticed in the discussion comments on
>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type
>>
>
> "Can you look if this could be tagged as a shelter ?
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Champlitte,_%C3%A9craigne.jpg
> Tounoki
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tounoki&action=edit&redlink=1>
>  (talk
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tounoki&action=edit&redlink=1>)
> 14:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
> If it is open to the public, not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating
> equipement inside, then yes, you could use amenity
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=shelter
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter> +shelter
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter>=weather_shelter
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shelter%3Dweather_shelter&action=edit&redlink=1>
> "
> Is "not meant for sleeping, no cooking or heating equipement inside"
> supposed to be a criteria for a shelter?
>
> Some of the overhangs I've seen are pitch black underneath from many
> thousands of years of cooking fires, & are acknowledged as places that
> Aboriginal peoples camped during bad weather - does that mean they're not
> shelters? (although I don't know what else they would then be?)
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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