[talk-au] QTOPO online maps

Andrew Harvey andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 16 00:58:55 UTC 2019


I don't think OSMF will change this requirement, as the reasons for the
waiver are detailed in the blog post Mateusz linked to,
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/ are pretty
compelling.

There had been some hope that CC BY 4.0 sources would be directly
> compatible with the ODbL. But while neither CC nor the OSMF has undertaken
> a complete compatibility analysis, we have identified at least one  point
> of incompatibility and one possible challenge regarding attribution that
> lead us to our decision to continue to ask for explicit permission to use
> BY 4.0-licensed material in the OSM project. This is the best path forward.


 If you would like a second voice for your enquiry with Gold Coast, feel
free to loop me in.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 07:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 21:02, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 18:05, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> See https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/
>>>
>>> CC BY 4.0 requires waiver
>>>
>>> The additional text is confirmation that it is
>>> actually released under this licence
>>> and that personal confirmation is not required.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> I reached out to Greg Payne, Director of Land and Spatial Information,
>> Topographic Data, Imagery and Mapping, DNRM in December 2018 (in case
>> anything had changed since my prior correspondence), the reply was:
>>
>>  The Department’s position has not changed since your previous enquiry.
>>>
>>> Consistent with Queensland Government policy, our data is provided under
>>> a CC:BY 4.0 Licence.  The department will not provide the data under an
>>> ODbl licence.  It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is sufficient for use
>>> of our data and we do not accept that OpenStreetMap cannot use our data
>>> under the CC:BY licence.
>>
>>
>> So unfortunately we're in a stalemate, OSMF says we need a waiver, DNRME
>> says they don't believe we need one. So we can't currently use DNRME's CC
>> BY 4.0 open data within OpenStreetMap unless either OSMF or DNRME change
>> their stance.
>>
>> I'm not taking a stab at DNRME over this, they are free to no agree to
>> the waiver, it's their call.
>>
>
> Thanks both of you.
>
> Exactly the same position with my on-going discussions with Gold Coast
> City Council - they've given us explicit permission to use their data, but
> can't get their head around our need for a waiver as well?
>
> " unless ... OSMF ... change their stance" - any chance / likelihood of
> that happening?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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