[talk-au] Camp_sites discussion

[Bob Cameron]

I wanted to ask for ideas and discussion related to tourism:camp_site. 
Noting that there is also a wiki on this;

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site

Some general things. (Much from my own experience)

- Do we need to be extensive in our data detail given that there are a 
plethora of other online databases available?

- Recent world changes and trends have seen employment and "just living" 
whilst NFA far more common, so I think it is worth getting this working 
well.

Detail

- In my experience there is now a large-ish proportion of population 
that follows the rule, "stop/camp at any public place where it is not 
expressly prohibited". The list of where it is not allowed is as 
important as where it is. People quite literally stop anywhere. Many 
towns are now entry signed something like "No camping within town 
boundary except at authorised establishments".

- The previous implies that every camp sites will never be mapped. It 
also means many wont have names.

- There is a confusion between "camping" and "overnight stays" when it 
comes to signage. Since many now have both prohibited (eg remote Qld 
highway truck parking areas) it is more or less (conveniently) assumed 
that "no camping" (only) allows staying overnight in vehicles.

- Pretty well every camp site can have a maximum stay period defined. 
Rest areas range between 8 and 48 hours. Most rest areas are 20 hours 
and of course there are truck parking ONLY places.

- An aside... It isn't clear whether a car driver can use a toilet at a 
truck rest area in Qld. 
(https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/holiday-travel/stops/rest) That 
would make toilets hgv:designated... (Insert laugh here)

My questions for starters

- How to define where camping is prohibited. Either by actual location 
or (say) a larger area like a town/shire. I have been adding camp_site 
names NO CAMPING and/or NO OVERNIGHT VEHICLES, the sign authority 
(operator) and access=no , after we had a talk_au discussion on rest 
areas some months ago. I don't like it, but I had to put the data 
somewhere in the interim.

- Maximum length of stay would be a golden/useful key. That will cover 
rest areas (hours) as well as those small community camps that only 
allow 3 days or so. opening_hours doesn't cover it.

- Does capacity:tents=yes/no capacity:caravans=yes/no help the overnight 
vs "camping" question. Keep in mind that people also travel around 
sleeping in cars (capacity:motor_cars=yes/no), panel vans and grounded 
sleeping bags beside motorbikes!

Tnx