[talk-au] Camp_sites discussion

[Warin]

What do you mean by 'camping'???

In Tasmania and New Zealand there are places where 'self contained 
vehicles' (those with toileting facilities) can stay.

Most of the time I have tent 'camped' ... meaning I like dirt/grass/sand 
to 'camp' on.
A surface of concrete or tar is not to my liking.  So the above 'self 
contained vehicles' sites don't suit me.
But I have used soem 'unconventional 'camp sites' .. church yards, 
cemeteries, parks, recreation grounds  (provided they don't have 
automatic sprinkles that turn on at 2 am) are 'suitable' in some places 
for me are 'camp grounds' ... but I would not like them mapped as such!


Also note the website
https://opencampingmap.org/#10/-41.9753/146.0797/0/0/bef
as an attempt to add information to camp sites in OSM.


On 21/4/21 6:42 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:
> I wanted to ask for ideas and discussion related to tourism:camp_site. 
> Noting that there is also a wiki on this;
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site
>
> Some general things. (Much from my own experience)
>
> - Do we need to be extensive in our data detail given that there are a 
> plethora of other online databases available?
>
> - Recent world changes and trends have seen employment and "just 
> living" whilst NFA far more common, so I think it is worth getting 
> this working well.
>
> Detail
>
> - In my experience there is now a large-ish proportion of population 
> that follows the rule, "stop/camp at any public place where it is not 
> expressly prohibited". The list of where it is not allowed is as 
> important as where it is. People quite literally stop anywhere. Many 
> towns are now entry signed something like "No camping within town 
> boundary except at authorised establishments".
>
> - The previous implies that every camp sites will never be mapped. It 
> also means many wont have names.
>
> - There is a confusion between "camping" and "overnight stays" when it 
> comes to signage. Since many now have both prohibited (eg remote Qld 
> highway truck parking areas) it is more or less (conveniently) assumed 
> that "no camping" (only) allows staying overnight in vehicles.
>
> - Pretty well every camp site can have a maximum stay period defined. 
> Rest areas range between 8 and 48 hours. Most rest areas are 20 hours 
> and of course there are truck parking ONLY places.
>
> - An aside... It isn't clear whether a car driver can use a toilet at 
> a truck rest area in Qld. 
> (https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/holiday-travel/stops/rest) 
> That would make toilets hgv:designated... (Insert laugh here)
>
> My questions for starters
>
> - How to define where camping is prohibited. Either by actual location 
> or (say) a larger area like a town/shire. I have been adding camp_site 
> names NO CAMPING and/or NO OVERNIGHT VEHICLES, the sign authority 
> (operator) and access=no , after we had a talk_au discussion on rest 
> areas some months ago. I don't like it, but I had to put the data 
> somewhere in the interim.
>
> - Maximum length of stay would be a golden/useful key. That will cover 
> rest areas (hours) as well as those small community camps that only 
> allow 3 days or so. opening_hours doesn't cover it.
>
> - Does capacity:tents=yes/no capacity:caravans=yes/no help the 
> overnight vs "camping" question. Keep in mind that people also travel 
> around sleeping in cars (capacity:motor_cars=yes/no), panel vans and 
> grounded sleeping bags beside motorbikes!
>
> Tnx
>
>
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