[talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 166, Issue 24

Anthony Panozzo panozz at outlook.com
Tue Apr 27 09:14:35 UTC 2021


It’s ok I knew them all off the top of my head, the gps coordinates are different they are not copied. The list I posted from the . Gov site was only a memory reference and as you can see from the map on the other .gov site they do not match up with gps coordinates nothing is copied

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Which street to use? (Graeme Fitzpatrick)
   2. Re: South Australia Speed Cameras (Daniel O'Connor)
   3. Re: Which street to use? (Jonathon Rossi)
   4. Re: Which street to use? (Joseph Guillaume)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:08:02 +1000
From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
To: Kim Oldfield <osm at oldfield.wattle.id.au>
Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Which street to use?
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 Thanks!

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:41, Jonathon Rossi <jono at jonorossi.com> wrote:

> If you parked on the street as a guest or delivery driver, which street
> could and/or should you enter the house via? Where is the mailbox?
>
> Sounds like it is on West Street with no entrance from East St?
>

Some of the East St houses have their driveway off West St, with just a
person gate actually on East St. Some of them have a driveway on both!

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> When I've mapped addressees I've added a node where the driveway enters
> the property. This has two advantages: it's easy to add when doing a street
> survey (unlike mapping a building or property boundaries), and when
> navigating to the property the driveway is usually where you want to go.
>
> In your situation this means a node near West St tagged with 135 East St.
>

That's what I was thinking would be the best way.

Same with battle-axe blocks when the actual house is well back from the
road, at the end of a long driveway - put the node at the street end of the
driveway, not the actual house.

Thanks

Graeme
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:51:15 +0930
From: "Daniel O'Connor" <daniel.oconnor at gmail.com>
To: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] South Australia Speed Cameras
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While it's unfortunate that we'll probably have to revert these unless
permission is granted beyond the CC BY 3.0/4.0 it seems to be licenced
under, it's a worthwhile dataset to try and collect.


We do have a lot of mapillary imagery, which is concentrated on major roads:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=2HbJuQpe6LbgU0CcssZ0Ig&focus=photo

With the 'map features' plugin, it does detect some of the traffic cameras.

Is there value in transforming the data we can't use into notes/a shared
spreadsheet and treating that as a prompt to check other sources? From the
looks of it, there are... under 200 cameras? That seems within reach to
crowdsource.


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:54 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

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>
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 17:14, Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok maybe try replying to the au-talk email instead of my private email, I
>> am blocking your email from contacting me directly
>>
>
> Sorry again, Anthony, but I have been, as per:
>
>  *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 April 2021 4:40 PM
>> *To: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com <panozz at outlook.com>>; OSM-Au
>> <talk-au at openstreetmap.org <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>>*
>>
>
>  A peculiarity of the way the Au mailing list has been set up is that, if
> you only click "Reply" your message only goes to the sender, not the list.
> If you click "Reply-All", it will go to both, but you should only get one
> copy of the message.
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] South Australia Speed Cameras
>>
>>
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>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 12:29, Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> It’s from the government, can’t see why not, a lot of them I added from
>> personal knowledge and just used the .gov link to keep track of which ones
>> I have added and not, here is a link to every speed camera on OSM in
>> Australia http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/10NY you can export them as gpx etc
>> to use on your gps
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Anthony, I agree that that would make sense, but just because it's
>> a Govt Dept, doesn't automatically mean that they will allow us to use
>> their data :-(
>>
>>
>>
>> If it's not listed in the Oz Data Catalogue
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, then you
>> would need to contact them & get their OK, together with a waiver, before
>> using any of their info.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 April 2021 11:44 AM
>> *To:* Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
>> *Cc:* talk-au at openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] South Australia Speed Cameras
>>
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>>
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>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 11:31, Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> Over the last month I have gone through every single speed camera from
>> this list SAPOL - Traffic camera locations (police.sa.gov.au)
>> <https://www.police.sa.gov.au/your-safety/road-safety/traffic-camera-locations>
>> (fixed camera locations) and Speed Cameras | Lead to Safer Roads |
>> Government of South Australia
>> <https://www.speedcameras.sa.gov.au/#camera-locations> and added them
>> all, I made a excel spreadsheet which has the OSM positions too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to be a pain, Anthony, but do we actually have permission to use
>> that info, together with waivers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 18:27:35 +1000
From: Jonathon Rossi <jono at jonorossi.com>
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Which street to use?
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 4:12 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:41, Jonathon Rossi <jono at jonorossi.com> wrote:
>
>> If you parked on the street as a guest or delivery driver, which street
>> could and/or should you enter the house via? Where is the mailbox?
>>
>> Sounds like it is on West Street with no entrance from East St?
>>
>
> Some of the East St houses have their driveway off West St, with just a
> person gate actually on East St. Some of them have a driveway on both!
>

Is this similar to Sydney and Melbourne terraces with a narrow
alley/laneway behind them for residents to access their garages, while
guests and deliveries come through the official street address via a gate
or door? Not always the case with modern laneway developments though.

I'd put the address node closest to the highway that a courier or pizza
delivery driver would need to use, with the mailbox often being a clue if
you can't work it out.

--
Jono
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:01:58 +1000
From: Joseph Guillaume <josephguillaume at gmail.com>
To: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Which street to use?
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To add another opinion, I would use the mailing address (letterbox) and
place the address on the (main) building.

My motivation is that the address is just a label - it doesn't need to
indicate preferred access route, and the map should not favour car over
pedestrian access.
Routing should (eventually?) account for driveways and multiple entrances
if that's the issue.


On Tue, 27 Apr 2021, 6:32 pm Jonathon Rossi, <jono at jonorossi.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 4:12 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:41, Jonathon Rossi <jono at jonorossi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you parked on the street as a guest or delivery driver, which street
>>> could and/or should you enter the house via? Where is the mailbox?
>>>
>>> Sounds like it is on West Street with no entrance from East St?
>>>
>>
>> Some of the East St houses have their driveway off West St, with just a
>> person gate actually on East St. Some of them have a driveway on both!
>>
>
> Is this similar to Sydney and Melbourne terraces with a narrow
> alley/laneway behind them for residents to access their garages, while
> guests and deliveries come through the official street address via a gate
> or door? Not always the case with modern laneway developments though.
>
> I'd put the address node closest to the highway that a courier or pizza
> delivery driver would need to use, with the mailbox often being a clue if
> you can't work it out.
>
> --
> Jono
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