[talk-au] highway=service

[Andrew Harvey]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 09:12, Tom Brennan <website at ozultimate.com> wrote:

> Like my previous post on sidewalks, this one is also from walking and
> cycling all of the streets of my LGA (Willoughby). The other area where
> tagging seems to me to be a bit messy is:
>
> highway=service
>
> This messiness may be more of a general OSM issue than specifically an
> Australian one!
>
> Where possible I've been trying to add a service=? tag to define these
> better, in line with the relevant pages on the wiki. In my area, the
> majority of these seem to be:
>
> 1. laneways between houses -> service=alley
> For me these are part of the official road network, but in Willoughby
> they are normally narrow, and lead to/past people's garages. This one
> seems relatively clear cut - and also appears to be the only service tag
> that does relate to the official road network(?)
>

Yeah I'd agree, but these are part of the public road network, they are
just lesser importance roads because they are mostly for access to the rear
of houses.


>
> 2. driveways (private property) -> service=driveway + access=private
> This seems pretty clear cut in residential areas. It also seems fairly
> clear for small business/industrial property that are for
> employees/business vehicles only.
>
> Where it gets a bit confusing is if the driveway is to something else.
> For example, in the Willoughby area, there are many industrial complexes
> which have "driveways". But if it leads to parking (amenity=parking?),
> is it still a driveway, or is it just highway=service without service=*.
> The access=* issues also interplays with this - because in larger
> industrial complexes there may be a mix of access=private and
> access=customers.
>

Can you post examples? In my opinion, a good rule of thumb for driveway is
where you need to turn off the road and cross the footpath. I realise it's
not always clear though.

Technically only the section inside the front fence is private, the section
between the footpath and road is public but I've never mapped to this level
of detail.


>
> 3. parking areas
> This one can also be a bit confusing - following the wiki, some of these
> end up being service=parking_aisle, but others are without service=* eg:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-33.80928/151.20897
> I imagine you can do in theory do an area query to establish
> highway=service within amenity=parking, but this does seem clunky!
> And not that we should be mapping for the renderer, but the rendering
> also seems inconsistent:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-33.80939/151.20923


If you can turn from the way directly into a parking spot, then it should
be parking aisle, so that one I think should be parking aisle.
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