[talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

[Sebastian Azagra Flores]

Hi Kim,

Some of the feedback I have received relates to changing shared paths to footpaths. According to the access restrictions listed on (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia>) this would by default not permit bicycles - I agree with this approach. However not all foot paths are correctly tagged as there are many instances where they have footpaths =yes, which is incorrect for Victoria.



In the other link you shared (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability>) its clearly says " Do not enter incorrect data just because it will help a map renderer, a navigation system or some other data consumer which has problem with the correct data”. 
The problem I have raised relates to incorrect data in OSM that is causing to map renderers to work incorrectly, and as a result I have been fixing data accordingly. This is inline with the OSM guidelines.




> On 3 Oct 2021, at 4:35 pm, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> 
> On 3/10/21 9:13 am, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote:
>> In my view, some of the data in OSM is incorrect as a footpath will some times have permission bicycle=yes which is incorrect. The majority of the time allowed access will have bicycle=unspecified (not defined)which I think is fine.
>> The issue is that cycling software, apps and gps units used by cyclist takes information from OSM and then creates a route based on the permission assigned to the road/path in OSM.
> 
> In Victoria cycling is not allowed on most footpaths (for most adults). The is defined in the wiki at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia>
> and more formally in OSM at https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2316741 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2316741>
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, routing software should be using these as part of the decision on when to route bikes down footpaths. Any software which ignores these should be have a bug report logged. We should not tag all footpaths with bicycle=no just for software which doesn't understand the defaults already configured in OSM.
> 
> It looks like Thosten Engler[*] has just said the same thing.
> 
> [*] Is that the name of the person using osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au <mailto:osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au>? You don't appear to have used a name in your email so I'm guessing based on your email domain, but as domains often get used by multiple people there is no guarantee that I'm right.
> 
> Regards,
> Kim
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