[OSM-talk-be] Wallonia hiking route schema

Fri Jul 11 06:56:41 UTC 2014

André,

my apologies for using the word "rambling", due my limited knowledge of
English, I couldn't come up with a better word.

I first wanted to write a long answer, but eventually I decided to spend my
time in a more interesting way, by mapping lanes & turn:lanes

bye,

m

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:13 AM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  On 2014-07-04 16:02, Marc Gemis wrote :
>
>  On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:46 PM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 2014-07-04 15:00, Marc Gemis wrote :
>
>  about which multicolored icons are you rambling ?
>
>  Can't you really open the hiking map, look at the osmc icons and compare
> with "le balisage normalisé"?
>
>   André.
>
>
> which hiking map ? http://www.wanderreitkarte.de/ ?
> http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/ ? another one ?
> e.g. waymarkedtrails  aka lonvia is using it's own color scheme. It
> ignores all colors / icons set on the relation. Do you really think all the
> walking networks in Flanders are marked with orange signs ?
>
>  As far as I know there is no . So when you rely on Dutch or German people
> the chances are small that they stick to the conventions of  "le balisage
> normalisé" (
> http://www.sentiers.be/comprendre-les-chemins-et-sentiers/la-signaletique-et-le-balisage/le-balisage-normalise/
> )
>
>
> Rambling ??? Who is?
> Please notice that the subject of this thread is Wallonia and that it
> quite logically deals with Wallonia.
> (and that orange signs are officially obsolete and deprecated since 1830
> ;-))
>
> Display the best waymarkedtrails like this
> <http://www.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13&lat=50.53749&lon=5.56839> and
> see OSMC symbols on the map and under *Routes* like this:
>
>   ES01. Esneux - Promenade des artistes (Ham)   ES01v - Ham variante   ES02.
> Esneux - Le Tige de Fontin   ES03. Esneux - Autour d'Avionpuits   ES04.
> Esneux - Chemin des Carrières   ES05. Esneux - Boucle de l'Ourthe (Ham)   ES06.
> Esneux - Circuit de la Roche-aux-Faucons   ES07 - Esneux - Parc du Mary,
> Heid des Corbeaux et Tessenire   ES08 - Esneux - Rond Bâti   SPR05
> Sprimont 5: Tultay   SPR06 Sprimont 6: Gomzé   SPR07 Sprimont 7:
> Dolembreux  ...
>  ...
> Typical tags:
>   website : http://www.ourthe-ambleve.be/insitu/fiche.php?lang=fr&cle=8053
> name : ES06. Esneux - Circuit de la Roche-aux-Faucons  roundtrip : yes
> type : route  route : hiking  network : lwn  oneway : yes  operator : SI
> Esneux  ref : ES06  osmc:symbol : yellow:yellow:yellow_rectangle:6:black
>
> Other locations outside Wallonia show *Routes* like this:
>
>
>  (1563591)
> 91-92   (1563607)
> 99-123   (1563608)
> 97-99   (1570051)
> 99-197   ...
> Typical tag:
>   note : 90-165  network:name : Rivierenland  route : foot  type : route
> network : rwn
>
> osmc:symbol <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:osmc:symbol>=* is
> not peculiar to any map renderer. The symbol icons are visible only on
> those that implement it indeed. Contrary to what you say,
> hiking.waymarkedtrails.org
> <http://www.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13&lat=50.55297&lon=5.92837>  is
> one that does and it suffices to open their site and look at the German,
> ... and the few Walloon hikes to see it.
>
> What does that "Belgian making a hiking map" mean?  Who are those sticking
> Dutch and Germans?
> Let us speak a precise language please.  Walloon hikes are chosen a symbol
> by their organizers (operator ...). The mapper uses the corresponding osmc
> symbol tag. The renderer renders that tag.  I just can't see what the
> Belgian, Dutch or German rambling has to do with that.
>
> An issue is that since 2007-2012 only 4 plain color symbols are legal in
> Wallonia but that
>
>    - OSM symbols, and even hike websites, continue to use other symbols
>    - the sites do not use the official ref but some ID of their own
>    - and the probability to "officially" jump from RED 3 of municipality
>    A to RED 3 of municipality B now becomes significant
>
>  So please bark at the right tree. If you don't agree with a rendering,
> complain to the people that made the map. File a bug report, send an email,
> whatever. We, ordinary mappers, cannot influence the color if they ignore
> the tags.
>
> Again, what is that barking about rendering problem, what is "people who
> made the map", what bug report?
> We, ordinary mappers, do define the symbol colors if we tag osmc.
> We, ordinary mappers, should try to use the legal symbol if signing is as
> important as you say.
> We, ordinary mappers, should try to use the official ref but when I do
> StijnRR removes it whimsically.
> We, ordinary mappers, should try to convince renderers to display both
> official ref and unofficial ID. For that point you're right about sending
> an email and filing a bug report, but I really wonder why you say it
> because it's one thing that I've done already.
> Your rambling doesn't make any sense.
>
>   André.
>
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